Are these Trainers bad for the game?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

In all honesty.....IMO, these two are doing a far, far, far more impressive job than Shuman ever did.

Shuman did get his share of big jumps, but he also had a lot that never improved or went backwards. Shuman's statistical profile from a betting standpoint also was dramatically less impressive.

I agree that Gill?Shuman were also probably bad for the game---but for different reasons than why I feel the Beattie sensations are.

You seem to have missed that one winter at GP. Once he was caught on to he was never the same. Simply being a "hop up" trainer won't be enough if you are also a crummy trainer.

[MisterB]

Who knows why. Like chuck said, he could win at 40 -50 percent if he brought his stock to Washington, but doesn't make him a better trainer, just better stock.

[The Bid]

Look at some of the out of form crows the beattie clan turn around. It takes more than Great horsemanship to win with some of the plugs they gallop with.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Look at some of the out of form crows the beattie clan turn around. It takes more than Great horsemanship to win with some of the plugs they gallop with.

I totally agree.

They constantly move horses up dramatically.

It's hard to say how someone like a Mullins or Dutrow would do with the horses they get---but I'd be absolutley shocked if they'd do better, and I'm not even convinced they'd do as good.

[cmorioles]

DrugS,

Thanks for keeping the other two names under wraps!

As for the Beattie horses, they may appear overbet on paper, but they are obviously underbet. I keep sending it in on them, don't even look at the form.

Yeah I kinda agree with MisterB. These two could really be honest, outstanding, hall of fame-esque trainers. In fact....




wait...


you'll have to excuse me. There's a talking dodo bird at the door trying to sell its eggs.

[MisterB]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Yeah I kinda agree with MisterB. These two could really be honest, outstanding, hall of fame-esque trainers. In fact....




wait...


you'll have to excuse me. There's a talking dodo bird at the door trying to sell its eggs.

so if Chuck went there, he is a druggy?

or sells eggs?

[The Bid]

Who said chuck would hit at 40 percent?

I bet if you gave Chuck Beattie's stock noway in the world is he 40 percent, and thats no knock on Chuck. Its just those horses seem to be proactively treated. There is noway you can get crows to run on the steady. They take horses that are totally hopeless and they run out of their minds. Can it be a coincidence Beattie and Lake are good friends, Beatties kin are winning at the same clip him and Mr Lake win at, sure. Are most of us dumb enough to believe that? I hope not.

Originally Posted by MisterB

so if Chuck went there, he is a druggy?

or sells eggs?

Chuck was talking about Portland Meadows. Charles Town is a couple notches above that dump.

[mark2061mn]

i like how he fabulous strike was 40/1 in his debut and ran about like a 40/1 shot should.

he switches trainers and goes off at 3/2 in PA, and romps.

then again, i am fairly new to watching east coast racing, and maybe tampa is a much better track than anything in PA. doesnt seem likely, but who knows.