Baffert Fined

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMAO... I doubt he was embarrassed. He was probably frustrated because he was in a hurry and the guard was wasting his time.

EXACTLY! Thank you.

This is very interesting study in human behavior towards others.

It gives me a clue as to who would go ripping a waitresses arm off because the food was bad. Dont leave her a tip because the food stinks mentality.

Personal experience, but obviously not that of horseownership royalty:

I was given a pass to help out at high school graduation at the Alamodome. I forgot my pass. I was walking in with the principal and other teachers and was told by security I could go no further. I immediately realized that this guy must make sure I work for the school, otherwise I might go wandering around this huge place that gets packed with 60,000 people for conventions, and plant a bomb or something else. And that his job was to keep people out who do not belong. I walked all the way back to the car and got my pass and apologized upon my re-entry.
"No he is with us BS... forget it." I'll get my pass and make things easier on everybody. A little accomidation, a little humility goes a long way. I would think business people understand this. The tracks and some trainers think otherwise.

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is very interesting study in human behavior towards others.

It gives me a clue as to who would go ripping a waitresses arm off because the food was bad. Dont leave her a tip because the food stinks mentality.

Personal experience, but obviously not that of horseownership royalty:

I was given a pass to help out at high school graduation at the Alamodome. I forgot my pass. I was walking in with the principal and other teachers and was told by security I could go no further. I immediately realized that this guy must make sure I work for the school, otherwise I might go wandering around this huge place that gets packed with 60,000 people for conventions, and plant a bomb or something else. And that his job was to keep people out who do not belong. I walked all the way back to the car and got my pass and apologized upon my re-entry.
"No he is with us BS... forget it." I'll get my pass and make things easier on everybody. A little accomidation, a little humility goes a long way. I would think business people understand this. The tracks and some trainers think otherwise.

Good story. I forgot my pass at the Indy 500 in 1997. I wanted to get in a booth that is actually run by a business partner of mine. Well the guard wouldnt let me in. I said, I understand and had to have my wife drive the pass to me.

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

[Buffymommy]

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?[/quote]


Don't go opening cans of worms guys....

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

Don't go opening cans of worms guys....[/quote]

LOL--you are so correct.

[Scurlogue Champ]

It seems that this is just a case of feelings of entitlement versus the "right thing to do."

I'm more on Pgardn and Euro's side here. The security people are there to do a job, and I doubt that the people that outlined their job detail to them made sure to say...."Oh, by the way. If Bob Baffert or D. Wayne Lukas want something, make sure and give it to them..they are soooooo special."

It all comes down to manners to me, some people are rude and some aren't. Just the way the world works.

Originally Posted by moodwalker

It seems that this is just a case of feelings of entitlement versus the "right thing to do."

I'm more on Pgardn and Euro's side here. The security people are there to do a job, and I doubt that the people that outlined their job detail to them made sure to say...."Oh, by the way. If Bob Baffert or D. Wayne Lukas want something, make sure and give it to them..they are soooooo special."

It all comes down to manners to me, some people are rude and some aren't. Just the way the world works.

None of us saw the incident so it is hard to say what the tone was. But if Baffert wanted to get a person in, and the security guard had access to communications with his boss, it seems quite easy to just ask if he would kindly call his boss so they might get in. He probably was a bit on edge having to play the game with all the "dignitaries" and at the same time having to attend to the biggest race of the year.
And part of his job as a trainer is to suck up to people who know people with money. Client flow. Maybe he needed to be a jerk in that situation in the eyes of those around him... had to play rough. I dont know. Just glad I dont have to play silly dignitary games.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Good story. I forgot my pass at the Indy 500 in 1997. I wanted to get in a booth that is actually run by a business partner of mine. Well the guard wouldnt let me in. I said, I understand and had to have my wife drive the pass to me.

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

I think that has been made abundantly clear when you read these posts.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Thanks for agreeing Oracle. It is very stressful having a single horse in a MCL let alone the Derby with three.

The trainer needs to worry about how the horses shipped, making sure the groom or some other security is at the stall at all times, how hot it is in the recieving barn, and a thousand other things on top of managing the actual clients. Only people in that position can possibly know. Even as the purchaser of a horse you get wound up/frazzled when the horse runs. And that is all before the gate opens. Then the trainer needs to try to watch three horses run and worry about injury and a thousand other details so he can explain to the owners who aren't really "watching " the race what has happend and get ready to talk to each jockey.

Crazy day for sure!

[Downthestretch55]

This thread will not die.
I just have to say that cops are consumed with their feeling of importance (read:control).
No matter what else is really going on...there are rules to follow, and that's "my job". I will do my job at all costs, because that's how I maintain my position of importance. I am in control. Nothing else matters.
Arrogant sons of beeches.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here. We are talking about a guy who contributes millions of dollars to the horse racing world every year! Churchill Downs is a huge problem in the horse racing world if they can't even make a big trainers life a little easier on such a hectic day as the Derby.

I would have done exactly what Baffert did....got frustrated. I probably wouldn't have ripped the badge off though. I know how ex cops can be, especially state troopers. They are the worse! My father was a cop before he became an anesthesiologist. The security guards were probably more arrogant than Baffert was. They must have done something to have pissed Baffert off. There are usually two sides to every story. However, when you are dealing with law enforcement officers, and you do something that may seem the least bit wrong, you don't have any choice but to apologize even if the law enforcement officers were in the wrong too. Also, unfortunately, most people always take the law officer's side to the story no matter what really did happen. It is an unfair fact of life.

Also, let me tell you a little secret in with the media concerning criminal cases/acts. They always tell you everything that the other guy did wrong, but never anything the law enforcement officers do wrong. You would be very surprised how often law enforcement officers screw up. I love the law, and I love cops in general. However, you must realize that some are real a s s h o l e s (just like non-LE people) and that they are humans that make mistakes too. Like I said, there are two sides to every story, and we don't have Baffert's side.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here. We are talking about a guy who contributes millions of dollars to the horse racing world every year! Churchill Downs is a huge problem in the horse racing world if they can't even make a big trainers life a little easier on such a hectic day as the Derby.

I would have done exactly what Baffert did....got frustrated. I probably wouldn't have ripped the badge off though. I know how ex cops can be, especially state troopers. They are the worse! My father was a cop before he became an anesthesiologist. The security guards were probably more arrogant than Baffert was. They must have done something to have pissed Baffert off. There are usually two sides to every story. However, when you are dealing with law enforcement officers, and you do something that may seem the least bit wrong, you don't have any choice but to apologize even if the law enforcement officers were in the wrong too. Also, unfortunately, most people always take the law officer's side to the story no matter what really did happen. It is an unfair fact of life.

VERY true, and if that isn't enough, just ask Kurt Busch. LOL

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here.

I dunno about that one. I think people kissing the ass of "celebrities" is what leads to that kind of behavior (tantrum throwing, ripping badges) in the first place..

You treat these people like they're larger than life, then don't complain when they start thinking it themselves.

I don't really blame Baffert, considering it was a heat of the moment thing, but I don't think the proper remedy is for everyone to kiss his ass and give him whatever he wants from now on.