Baffert Fined

Originally Posted by Thoroughbred Fan

More tact? Sure. Have you owned a horse? Do you know how frazzled you can get on race day. I ave seen people that don't smoke light up a whole pack. We can't have any idea what he was going through with three to saddle and three groups of owners to attend to. Again give the guy a break. CD's fault entirely.

Look I am sure having Bode as a guest wasnt a last minute thing. They have to make sure they are available that day. Baffter had plenty of time to get the credentials. If it was a last minute thing, Baffert prob said "don't worry, I am Bob Baffert and I can get you in." Then the guard said no and Baffert was embarrassed. That is what prob happened.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Look I am sure having Bode as a guest wasnt a last minute thing. They have to make sure they are available that day. Baffter had plenty of time to get the credentials. If it was a last minute thing, Baffert prob said "don't worry, I am Bob Baffert and I can get you in." Then the guard said no and Baffert was embarrassed. That is what prob happened.

LMAO... I doubt he was embarrassed. He was probably frustrated because he was in a hurry and the guard was wasting his time.

[Buffymommy]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMAO... I doubt he was embarrassed. He was probably frustrated because he was in a hurry and the guard was wasting his time.

EXACTLY! Thank you.

This is very interesting study in human behavior towards others.

It gives me a clue as to who would go ripping a waitresses arm off because the food was bad. Dont leave her a tip because the food stinks mentality.

Personal experience, but obviously not that of horseownership royalty:

I was given a pass to help out at high school graduation at the Alamodome. I forgot my pass. I was walking in with the principal and other teachers and was told by security I could go no further. I immediately realized that this guy must make sure I work for the school, otherwise I might go wandering around this huge place that gets packed with 60,000 people for conventions, and plant a bomb or something else. And that his job was to keep people out who do not belong. I walked all the way back to the car and got my pass and apologized upon my re-entry.
"No he is with us BS... forget it." I'll get my pass and make things easier on everybody. A little accomidation, a little humility goes a long way. I would think business people understand this. The tracks and some trainers think otherwise.

Originally Posted by pgardn

This is very interesting study in human behavior towards others.

It gives me a clue as to who would go ripping a waitresses arm off because the food was bad. Dont leave her a tip because the food stinks mentality.

Personal experience, but obviously not that of horseownership royalty:

I was given a pass to help out at high school graduation at the Alamodome. I forgot my pass. I was walking in with the principal and other teachers and was told by security I could go no further. I immediately realized that this guy must make sure I work for the school, otherwise I might go wandering around this huge place that gets packed with 60,000 people for conventions, and plant a bomb or something else. And that his job was to keep people out who do not belong. I walked all the way back to the car and got my pass and apologized upon my re-entry.
"No he is with us BS... forget it." I'll get my pass and make things easier on everybody. A little accomidation, a little humility goes a long way. I would think business people understand this. The tracks and some trainers think otherwise.

Good story. I forgot my pass at the Indy 500 in 1997. I wanted to get in a booth that is actually run by a business partner of mine. Well the guard wouldnt let me in. I said, I understand and had to have my wife drive the pass to me.

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

[Buffymommy]

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?[/quote]


Don't go opening cans of worms guys....

Originally Posted by Buffymommy

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

Don't go opening cans of worms guys....[/quote]

LOL--you are so correct.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Good story. I forgot my pass at the Indy 500 in 1997. I wanted to get in a booth that is actually run by a business partner of mine. Well the guard wouldnt let me in. I said, I understand and had to have my wife drive the pass to me.

Out of curiosity--who would go ripping a waitress and who wouldnt (in your eyes)?

I think that has been made abundantly clear when you read these posts.

[Thoroughbred Fan]

Thanks for agreeing Oracle. It is very stressful having a single horse in a MCL let alone the Derby with three.

The trainer needs to worry about how the horses shipped, making sure the groom or some other security is at the stall at all times, how hot it is in the recieving barn, and a thousand other things on top of managing the actual clients. Only people in that position can possibly know. Even as the purchaser of a horse you get wound up/frazzled when the horse runs. And that is all before the gate opens. Then the trainer needs to try to watch three horses run and worry about injury and a thousand other details so he can explain to the owners who aren't really "watching " the race what has happend and get ready to talk to each jockey.

Crazy day for sure!

[Downthestretch55]

This thread will not die.
I just have to say that cops are consumed with their feeling of importance (read:control).
No matter what else is really going on...there are rules to follow, and that's "my job". I will do my job at all costs, because that's how I maintain my position of importance. I am in control. Nothing else matters.
Arrogant sons of beeches.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here. We are talking about a guy who contributes millions of dollars to the horse racing world every year! Churchill Downs is a huge problem in the horse racing world if they can't even make a big trainers life a little easier on such a hectic day as the Derby.

I would have done exactly what Baffert did....got frustrated. I probably wouldn't have ripped the badge off though. I know how ex cops can be, especially state troopers. They are the worse! My father was a cop before he became an anesthesiologist. The security guards were probably more arrogant than Baffert was. They must have done something to have pissed Baffert off. There are usually two sides to every story. However, when you are dealing with law enforcement officers, and you do something that may seem the least bit wrong, you don't have any choice but to apologize even if the law enforcement officers were in the wrong too. Also, unfortunately, most people always take the law officer's side to the story no matter what really did happen. It is an unfair fact of life.

Also, let me tell you a little secret in with the media concerning criminal cases/acts. They always tell you everything that the other guy did wrong, but never anything the law enforcement officers do wrong. You would be very surprised how often law enforcement officers screw up. I love the law, and I love cops in general. However, you must realize that some are real a s s h o l e s (just like non-LE people) and that they are humans that make mistakes too. Like I said, there are two sides to every story, and we don't have Baffert's side.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here. We are talking about a guy who contributes millions of dollars to the horse racing world every year! Churchill Downs is a huge problem in the horse racing world if they can't even make a big trainers life a little easier on such a hectic day as the Derby.

I would have done exactly what Baffert did....got frustrated. I probably wouldn't have ripped the badge off though. I know how ex cops can be, especially state troopers. They are the worse! My father was a cop before he became an anesthesiologist. The security guards were probably more arrogant than Baffert was. They must have done something to have pissed Baffert off. There are usually two sides to every story. However, when you are dealing with law enforcement officers, and you do something that may seem the least bit wrong, you don't have any choice but to apologize even if the law enforcement officers were in the wrong too. Also, unfortunately, most people always take the law officer's side to the story no matter what really did happen. It is an unfair fact of life.

VERY true, and if that isn't enough, just ask Kurt Busch. LOL

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

It should be their job to kiss Bob Baffert's ass. We aren't talking about a little time trainer here.

I dunno about that one. I think people kissing the ass of "celebrities" is what leads to that kind of behavior (tantrum throwing, ripping badges) in the first place..

You treat these people like they're larger than life, then don't complain when they start thinking it themselves.

I don't really blame Baffert, considering it was a heat of the moment thing, but I don't think the proper remedy is for everyone to kiss his ass and give him whatever he wants from now on.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

LMAO... I doubt he was embarrassed. He was probably frustrated because he was in a hurry and the guard was wasting his time.

Oh I bet he was embarrassed. To have a little security guard tell you NO and you are Bob Baffert and you just gloated to your friend that you could get him in, of course he was embarrassed. Who wouldnt be. Look Churchill has be around for longer than Baffert and trust me, Churchill could care less about Bob Baffert. Baffert needs Churchill far more than Churchill needs Baffert.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh I bet he was embarrassed. To have a little security guard tell you NO and you are Bob Baffert and you just gloated to your friend that you could get him in, of course he was embarrassed. Who wouldnt be. Look Churchill has be around for longer than Baffert and trust me, Churchill could care less about Bob Baffert. Baffert needs Churchill far more than Churchill needs Baffert.

Who says he was gloating? Were you there?

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Oh I bet he was embarrassed. To have a little security guard tell you NO and you are Bob Baffert and you just gloated to your friend that you could get him in, of course he was embarrassed. Who wouldnt be. Look Churchill has be around for longer than Baffert and trust me, Churchill could care less about Bob Baffert. Baffert needs Churchill far more than Churchill needs Baffert.

Your opinion of Cd is much higher than everyone elses. Baffert needs the place like he needs a headache. he runs Derby week and maybe ships in a few horses the rest of the meet. Don't ever forget that its a B track, not a A track. It sure as hell ain't del Mar, Sanat Anita, Belmont, or Saratoga. How many grade on races do you run there a year at Cd? Do you even run 10? My guess is more like 5. The others I named run a whole lot. Nice place, great facility, awesoem folks but its not an A track.

[PSH]

Agree Oracle.
Only other track i would add to A list is Keeneland...

Originally Posted by oracle80

Your opinion of Cd is much higher than everyone elses. Baffert needs the place like he needs a headache. he runs Derby week and maybe ships in a few horses the rest of the meet. Don't ever forget that its a B track, not a A track. It sure as hell ain't del Mar, Sanat Anita, Belmont, or Saratoga. How many grade on races do you run there a year at Cd? Do you even run 10? My guess is more like 5. The others I named run a whole lot. Nice place, great facility, awesoem folks but its not an A track.

Not an A track but has the A race of the world. That pretty much trumps anything else. Baffert doesnt run many there and I wish he would. But he wants the one thing each year and that is the Derby. My opinion of every track is high. I love all tracks. And I think they have rules in place for the better of the track and its patrons. Everyone knows that the situation could have been handled better. Everyone has had this issue but we go ripping and yelling at someone. Plus, why does Bode need to be in the paddock anyway? I think the paddock should be for the owner(s), trainer and his/her assistants and that is all.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Not an A track but has the A race of the world. That pretty much trumps anything else. Baffert doesnt run many there and I wish he would. But he wants the one thing each year and that is the Derby. My opinion of every track is high. I love all tracks. And I think they have rules in place for the better of the track and its patrons. Everyone knows that the situation could have been handled better. Everyone has had this issue but we go ripping and yelling at someone. Plus, why does Bode need to be in the paddock anyway? I think the paddock should be for the owner(s), trainer and his/her assistants and that is all.

Well when you pay 40 grand to run a horse in a race the least they can do is let you bring a few folks with you to the paddock!! LOL!! Your understanding of people who get in the horse business is limited to say the least. They buy horses for the thrill and sport of it, if they wanted an "investment" they could buy Real Estate and actually make money instead of losing it, which most owners do in the business of tbreds. So you don't think owners should be able to bring guests huh? WOW!! Yeah thats right folks you dropped a half mill on the colt but your guests can walk in the paddock with you to see him saddled. Doesnt sound like a real bright idea to me.

Its pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain that Baffert wasnt the only one in error here. But i guess having half a brain isnt a requirement to post on a message board.
1) They only fined him 500 bucks. tell you what, if the guard hadnt acted improperly when this occurred in some fashion, the fine would have been very severe, maybe even a suspension.
2) Situations like this happen a lot at the track.Altercations between indivuals. You will note that in all of these situations the stewards rule immediately!!! This took place two months ago and they just put this out? Wanna know why? Cause they didnt want this coming out druing the Tri Crown and have all those reporters asking Baff what happened so he coudl tell them exactly what went down. They waited weeks(probably called bob and kissed his ass and apologized for what happened and said we just want this to go away) so that it would be a back page story.

Not hard to see that Baffert was in error for ripping off the badge. Also not hard to see that he never would have done this without provocation or arrogance on the guards part. He was definitely treated rude or provoked or the fine would be 10 grand along with a little suspension. Use your brains.