Baffert Fined

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Yep, I would too... and have. LOL

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Baffert wasn't wrong. He had every right to explode as he did. CD obviously didnt do the job well enough to make sure his guests were accomodated. Could he have handled it better? perhaps. But when you are entering the paddock to saddle three horses for the Ky Derby and are nervous to start with, does that hassle seem like a lot of fun to you? I'd think that some track exec or head of security could easily have come over and made a judgement call and just said let them through. Sorry, I don't see this as anything that wouldn't infuriate anyone else.

Same garbage happens in Nascar and it's ridiculous. I was actually wearing credentials and a hot pass in Atlanta and the guard wouldn't let me through because he thought I was a pit lizard trying to get in. AND I HAD CREDENTIALS ON. I was infuriated, but no where near as infuriated as my boyfriend who had to come up to the gate and get me... needless to say, the guard apologized profusely, but that kind of garbage ticks me off...

Baffert has more important things to worry about than credentials and getting people in. If he says, "this person is with me", than that should be all that is needed. I would have thrown a complete fit.

To me this is a non-issue. But Baffert is in the wrong here. You do not touch a security guard. It is that simple. The reason from credentials is so they can control who is in the paddock area. They do not need 1000 people down there. Also, you cannot say well you are Bob Baffert so we can let you slide. Where do you draw the line. Do you tell Pletcher or Speitz that they cannot have someone without credentials in because they have never won the Derby--RIDICULOUS. Follow the rules Bob and things like this will not happen.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

To me this is a non-issue. But Baffert is in the wrong here. You do not touch a security guard. It is that simple. The reason from credentials is so they can control who is in the paddock area. They do not need 1000 people down there. Also, you cannot say well you are Bob Baffert so we can let you slide. Where do you draw the line. Do you tell Pletcher or Speitz that they cannot have someone without credentials in because they have never won the Derby--RIDICULOUS. Follow the rules Bob and things like this will not happen.

Yeah yeah CD cheerleader takes the other side, who'd figure huh? Its backwoods amateur time Barney Fife bull****, thats what it is. You think in NY they wouldnt let anyone Todd or Peitz or baffert brought to the paddock in? Get real. Never read about that in NY.

Say what you want about NYRA but as the guest of an owner I used to work for and as the guest of friends who train and own, I never once saw the horseman and their guests treated with anything less than total accomodation by NYRA. They go out of their way to make the trainer and owners experience as pleasant as possible.
By the way Euro, you met Terry huh? Ask meyocks how he would have handled it. I know him, and hes a gentleman and one of the best liked people in the entire business by horseman and any fan with a grain of common sense. Terry never turned down anyone I know on tickets, passes, anything. Above and beyond the call of duty as far as horseamn and meeting their needs went. If I owned a racetrack, he'd be the first guy I would call to beg run it.

Originally Posted by oracle80

Say what you want about NYRA but as the guest of an owner I used to work for and as the guest of friends who train and own, I never once saw the horseman and their guests treated with anything less than total accomodation by NYRA. They go out of their way to make the trainer and owners experience as pleasant as possible.
By the way Euro, you met Terry huh? Ask meyocks how he would have handled it. I know him, and hes a gentleman and one of the best liked people in the entire business by horseman and any fan with a grain of common sense. Terry never turned down anyone I know on tickets, passes, anything. Above and beyond the call of duty as far as horseamn and meeting their needs went. If I owned a racetrack, he'd be the first guy I would call to beg run it.

I dont know Terry. I got to meet him one time and boy I was impressed. What a great guy. I think he would be perfect for Ellis. I hope everything works out for him if he decides to buy Ellis.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I dont know Terry. I got to meet him one time and boy I was impressed. What a great guy. I think he would be perfect for Ellis. I hope everything works out for him if he decides to buy Ellis.

The guy is aces. Never turned anyone down for anything that I know of. Hes also the kind of guy with guts who would always have your back and the back of people he knew. I don't know anyone alive who would say a bad word about the guy.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

lets get it right..because baffert had three horses in the derby.he should be able to bend the rules..he was there all day..im sure that the miller thing was a last second deal by someone who owns a part of a horse or somthing..i cant blame the track or the security gaurd..now if this guy let blockhead in behind baffert the guy would get fired..lol

[Downthestretch55]

Put a badge on a rent-a-cop's chest....BINGO!!! All of a sudden, he's really important!
Might not know sh it about racing, horses, or much else.
BUT AT LEAST HE KNOWS THE RULES!!!!!!

Gimme another break.......

Originally Posted by oracle80

Yeah yeah CD cheerleader takes the other side, who'd figure huh? Its backwoods amateur time Barney Fife bull****, thats what it is. You think in NY they wouldnt let anyone Todd or Peitz or baffert brought to the paddock in? Get real. Never read about that in NY.

It is no ones side. It is the rules. I dont agree, but it is the rule and Baffert knows this. It isnt like he hasnt been there before.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

500 to him is like a penny..no big deal..id make miller sit outside ..scrub and if anyone is to blame it should be his asstnt..that handles that stuff..the security gaurd was right..nobody means nobody..

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

500 to him is like a penny..no big deal..id make miller sit outside ..scrub and if anyone is to blame it should be his asstnt..that handles that stuff..the security gaurd was right..nobody means nobody..

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by oracle80

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

I agree 100%.

Originally Posted by oracle80

If you are a track exec, you have to make sure the players and stars of teh show are accomodated. That means on your time, not theirs. Cd really fouled this up and its not the first horror story I have heard about. Make sure the people you hire to deal with them COME TO THEM and do it when it is convenient for them. Baffert wakes up and has to train, then he has to do all those interviews. Then hes gotta call his owners and fax them to keep them apprised of whats going on with their horses. Then hes gotta make sure horses who need to be entered that day are entered properly. Then hes gotta make a out a training chart for the division back in California and fax that and talk to his asst trainer there to make sure thinsg are going ok, see how the horses there are doing, and make sure he knows what he wants em to do.
After that "light work" hes gotta go back to where he is staying and see the wife and kid, take a nap and eat, and then shower and get dressed to get back over to the track for the races. And thats just a derby week day, derby day is 100 times worse. Where exactly is he supposed to find the time to call and arrange the other bs. Those guys whould be waited on by the track to insure that THEIR day and the day of their GUESTS goes silky smooth. They are putting on the show, not the track. They just collect the cash from the show.

LOL@Oracle. Baffert has 364 days to call to get credentials. I think he can find 5 minutes to call in order to make sure HIS guests are accomodated. Churchill has rules for everyone to follow. He dropped the ball on this one and took his frustration out on a security guard. I bet Churchill had to talk the guards out of pressing assualt charges. But again, this is a non-issue in my eyes.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

LOL@Oracle. Baffert has 364 days to call to get credentials. I think he can find 5 minutes to call in order to make sure HIS guests are accomodated. Churchill has rules for everyone to follow. He dropped the ball on this one and took his frustration out on a security guard. I bet Churchill had to talk the guards out of pressing assualt charges. But again, this is a non-issue in my eyes.

You can't get credentials that far in advance.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You can't get credentials that far in advance.

I know that--it was the point I was trying to make Cajun. He can find the time for a 5 minute conversation.

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I know that--it was the point I was trying to make Cajun. He can find the time for a 5 minute conversation.

Says who? You? Who are you to say what kind of time restrictions these guys are under. I posted a typical day for a trainer like Todd or baffert, and I'm sure I left out a WHOLE lot more. Kind of arrogant for you to say he has 5 more minutes in his day when he most likely does not.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

I know that--it was the point I was trying to make Cajun. He can find the time for a 5 minute conversation.

It's not that easy, but hey... I see your point. I just don't think that worrying about credentials is in Baffert's job description.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

You can't get credentials that far in advance.

STill not an excuse.

To hell with the little peon in enforcing the rules????

Change the system before you go off on two innocent security guards.

To make sure all the rules are followed, two years ago. John Magnier was at Churchill and he wanted to get into an aread of the track where you had to have a pass and the security guard wouldnt let him through - lol. Magnier asked the security guard if he knew who he was and he said "yes sir, you are John Magnier." Magnier said "thank you." The security guard said "you still are not going to get in without your credentials. Magnier went back to get his pass-lol.