English Channel- Track Record

[GPK]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

What will English Channel's Beyer Be?

I'll go with 104.

I dont know...but Drugs seems to have that stuff down...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I'm not a big fan of Turf figures......

I don't even bother projecting them or fooling around with them.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I'm not a big fan of Turf figures......

I don't even bother projecting them or fooling around with them.

what about them dont you like?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by T3B

what about them dont you like?

They are meaningless as turf final times are completly a function of pace.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They are meaningless as turf final times are completly a function of pace.

meaningless just in Beyer #'s or in sheet #'s also?

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

They are meaningless as turf final times are completly a function of pace.

I wonder if that's because of drafting. (That would make sense)

Then again, not completely, as you seem to favor horses that get blocked while sucking up inside. (Witness your comments on the Miss Shop race, for example.)

Just wondering.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by the_fat_man

I wonder if that's because of drafting. (That would make sense)

Then again, not completely, as you seem to favor horses that get blocked while sucking up inside. (Witness your comments on the Miss Shop race, for example.)

Just wondering.

Don't want to speak to him but I don't think that's what he meant...In a turf race the figs often correlate to how the race is run, not necessarily a true idea of how fast a horse can run. The final quarters are so pivotal in a turf race, it almost pays to chart those and get a view of how the race will be run than going by a high Beyer.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Don't want to speak to him but I don't think that's what he meant...In a turf race the figs often correlate to how the race is run, not necessarily a true idea of how fast a horse can run. The final quarters are so pivotal in a turf race, it almost pays to chart those and get a view of how the race will be run than going by a high Beyer.

think Randall means he doesn't want to speak for him...

[blackthroatedwind]

It's hard for English Channel's fig to be very good when you consider who ran second and third and what they are capable of.

Turf figs are irrelevent anyway.

And, by the way DrugS, Kotashan? What were you excited by his thrilling duels with Bien Bien?

[randallscott35]

Personally, I do like the Thoros numbers for turf races. I find the patterns much more predictable, but of course on turf, the trip is so important.

Ghostzapper's 2005 Met Mile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTgIMEzce8

It's a shame he didn't get to finish the year.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Pillow Pants

Ghostzapper's 2005 Met Mile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rTgIMEzce8

It's a shame he didn't get to finish the year.

LOL.....Forest Danger at 2-1

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by T3B

LOL.....Forest Danger at 2-1

Oh yes, they line up to bet Pletcher.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

And, by the way DrugS, Kotashan? What were you excited by his thrilling duels with Bien Bien?

I was actually.

I thought the final 8 races of his career were all spectacular. I guess they all came in a 10 month window, and he wasn't all that much before that, so I can see how he misses your cut.

...... That and he's never won anything better than a French Group 3 outside of So Cal.

I've seen many Euro based one's who I'd rate above him since, Daylami especially....but, Kotashaan was a fairly deserving Horse of the Year in '93, on the basis of the final 8 races of his career.