Question, About the yellow flag?

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Curt, I agree with your assessment above, but my confusion lies in the fact that they threw the caution flag once Clint's car started rolling. Thoughts on that?

My guess is the Race Director decided that he was in unusual harm being that the car was on its roof and if he were to be subjected to impact on the drivers side things could have been bad. That also may be an agreement that the drivers and Race Director made in a meeting, that if their is a car upside down we will throw the yellow so everyone can be aware of the dangerous situation involving the car / driver.

Also, I just wanted to clear up my unusually long rambling post. It narrows down to the fact that the 2 cars battling for the lead had a clear view of the start finish line and a clear track ahead. I am certain that played into the Race Director's decision.

I shared an office when I worked for ASA with the current Director of Tech in the Busch Series. I am going to fire him an email and see if he can send any info that may enlighten us as to what happened in the tower. Crap its Thursday, so he is probably on the road, oh well lets see if he responds.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

My guess is the Race Director decided that he was in unusual harm being that the car was on its roof and if he were to be subjected to impact on the drivers side things could have been bad. That also may be an agreement that the drivers and Race Director made in a meeting, that if their is a car upside down we will throw the yellow so everyone can be aware of the dangerous situation involving the car / driver.

Also, I just wanted to clear up my unusually long rambling post. It narrows down to the fact that the 2 cars battling for the lead had a clear view of the start finish line and a clear track ahead. I am certain that played into the Race Director's decision.

I shared an office when I worked for ASA with the current Director of Tech in the Busch Series. I am going to fire him an email and see if he can send any info that may enlighten us as to what happened in the tower. Crap its Thursday, so he is probably on the road, oh well lets see if he responds.

But for me it comes down to a rule is a rule. Nascar is so strict with it's enforcement of rules violations, that it's unfathomable to me that Nascar can bend them when they want. Look at things like cars being 1/4 of an inch to low or goinng down pit row at 57 miles per hour, are infractions that are treated with stiff penalties. So for them to bend the rule in the super bowl of racing leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. Would the yellow have come out if this was the Food City 500?

[2MinsToPost]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But for me it comes down to a rule is a rule. Nascar is so strict with it's enforcement of rules violations, that it's unfathomable to me that Nascar can bend them when they want. Look at things like cars being 1/4 of an inch to low or goinng down pit row at 57 miles per hour, are infractions that are treated with stiff penalties. So for them to bend the rule in the super bowl of racing leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. Would the yellow have come out if this was the Food City 500?

Their is huge difference between a rules violation going thru tech. The reality is this, when the cars are on the track peoples lives are in danger every second and that in my opinion played a factor in the Race Director's decision.

I can tell you for a fact that decisions have to be made every single weekend in NASCAR that people will never know about. Those decisions are made behind closed doors, some of them are correct and with the best interest in mind and some are made not in the best interest of the parties involved. Untill you have been involved in a situation similar to what happened Sunday you just don't know how important it is to be able to do what is right.

Again, I was Chief of Timing and Scoring for ASA back in 2001 and part of 2002. I speak from experience and worked with a couple drivers and their respective teams who moved on to NASCAR and are racing their currently. Things happen during the race that have to be taken for their situation, and decisions have to made with safety being number 1.

When the green flag drops this is how things go. The safety of everyone involved is number 1. The accuracy of where each respective car is number 2. In this situation, both were compromised. The Race Director made the right decision.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Their is huge difference between a rules violation going thru tech. The reality is this, when the cars are on the track peoples lives are in danger every second and that in my opinion played a factor in the Race Director's decision.

I can tell you for a fact that decisions have to be made every single weekend in NASCAR that people will never know about. Those decisions are made behind closed doors, some of them are correct and with the best interest in mind and some are made not in the best interest of the parties involved. Untill you have been involved in a situation similar to what happened Sunday you just don't know how important it is to be able to do what is right.

Again, I was Chief of Timing and Scoring for ASA back in 2001 and part of 2002. I speak from experience and worked with a couple drivers and their respective teams who moved on to NASCAR and are racing their currently. Things happen during the race that have to be taken for their situation, and decisions have to made with safety being number 1.

When the green flag drops this is how things go. The safety of everyone involved is number 1. The accuracy of where each respective car is number 2. In this situation, both were compromised. The Race Director made the right decision.

Curt,
I agree completely with what you said. Though I would have liked to see Mark Martin get this win before he retires, they were ahead of the crashes.
That last lap will remain in my memory forever. That's racing.
It was heart stopping to see the car come over the line on its roof.
It's how things go.
Ya go out with a green, ya take your best shot.
When all is said and done, there's only one winner.
Very good that nobody got killed.
There will be many more races.
And, yes, NASCAR needs to be consistant with the rules.
Safety first. After that, everyone takes their chances.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

Their is huge difference between a rules violation going thru tech. The reality is this, when the cars are on the track peoples lives are in danger every second and that in my opinion played a factor in the Race Director's decision.

I can tell you for a fact that decisions have to be made every single weekend in NASCAR that people will never know about. Those decisions are made behind closed doors, some of them are correct and with the best interest in mind and some are made not in the best interest of the parties involved. Untill you have been involved in a situation similar to what happened Sunday you just don't know how important it is to be able to do what is right.

Again, I was Chief of Timing and Scoring for ASA back in 2001 and part of 2002. I speak from experience and worked with a couple drivers and their respective teams who moved on to NASCAR and are racing their currently. Things happen during the race that have to be taken for their situation, and decisions have to made with safety being number 1.

When the green flag drops this is how things go. The safety of everyone involved is number 1. The accuracy of where each respective car is number 2. In this situation, both were compromised. The Race Director made the right decision.

First of all I do appreciate your insight on this subject. I am not sure what the right answer is. The point I was trying to make is that Nascar is so strict by the book in every aspect of the sport, that I didn't think there was any room for a "judgement call". Also if safety is the #1 issue how could the yellow not come out immediatley. Beacuse the wreck happened in the front of almost a full field and most of them were still on the lead lap all racing to the finish. So with no yellow you have the majority of the field racing back to the line through a wreck. The way I see it is that everyone involved or behind the wreck, had a safety issue because the yellow didn't come out right away. Like I said in an earlier post, I liked it when they DID race back to the line. I just do not think you could have it both ways.

[bugsoup]

no nascar changes its rulings all the time. on friday nights trk. race johnny benson went below the yellow line and past a trk to improve his position. nascar says a race car can not go below the yellow line its against there rules, and if you do you will be penelized. benson was not.
also the rule is to be read if there is a wreck the yellow flag will be waved. and field frozen. sometimes they do it and this last time was the first time in about 3 years that i seen them not throw the flag. some people say it was because it was the last lap. but races over the last few years it did not matter it was last lap. they froze the field.