Nobiz holds lead while Hard Spun drops

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Well, his race was run a few hours before Hard Spun's loss....

And Hard Spun seems to have taken a hit in the rankings...which suggests the new voting occured after Monday.

I guess I hadn't thought it through...which I guess, is why they didn't ask for my vote

[Travis Stone]

I'm inclined to think the Chase City is an error on the voters part, I'll email them and find out. I don't check each and every vote, as we have a great panel and they know what's up and up.

[Travis Stone]

As for Lukas' horse... he's no where near my top 20, until he wins a race that puts him in the mix. How is he on graded earnings?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

As for Lukas' horse... he's no where near my top 20, until he wins a race that puts him in the mix. How is he on graded earnings?

I don't like him at all as a Derby horse myself.

However, he is the fastest 3yo in the country on Beyer figures---and when you take into account that his raw naked figure was 18 points faster than the Southwest Stakes winner---unless there was something funky in the wind data, he will quite likely also have run a MONSTER figure on the sheets...because they don't split route and sprint variants.

I would assume that the gap between the Lukas maiden and the Southwest winner, which is 7 points on Beyers, would be a little wider on sheet style figs.

Of course, no one took Medaglia D' Oro that serious, when he won an Oaklawn MSW race, also at six furlongs, in Feb of his 3yo season, by 4 lengths with a 101 Beyer.

And while it's true MDO could only manage a 4th place finish in the Ky Derby, he also had an abysmal trip in that race.

The reason why I was surprised to see him make no ones top 20---is simply that there seems to be a pretty big talent deficiancy in this crop....and unlike quite a few in the top 20...at least this horse has a little talent. And when you factor in that his trainer has won the race three times, and will do everything in his power to get him into the race...I really expected someone to throw him on.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't like him at all as a Derby horse myself.

However, he is the fastest 3yo in the country on Beyer figures---and when you take into account that his raw naked figure was 18 points faster than the Southwest Stakes winner---unless there was something funky in the wind data, he will quite likely also have run a MONSTER figure on the sheets...because they don't split route and sprint variants.

I would assume that the gap between the Lukas maiden and the Southwest winner, which is 7 points on Beyers, would be a little wider on sheet style figs.

Of course, no one took Medaglia D' Oro that serious, when he won an Oaklawn MSW race, also at six furlongs, in Feb of his 3yo season, by 4 lengths with a 101 Beyer.

And while it's true MDO could only manage a 4th place finish in the Ky Derby, he also had an abysmal trip in that race.

The reason why I was surprised to see him make no ones top 20---is simply that there seems to be a pretty big talent deficiancy in this crop....and unlike quite a few in the top 20...at least this horse has a little talent. And when you factor in that his trainer has won the race three times, and will do everything in his power to get him into the race...I really expected someone to throw him on.

Not a bad argument actually, and this line is the reason why.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

DWL has actually won the race four times, I shorted him one.

[Travis Stone]

I think Lukas' horse has a world of potential. Although he did have things go his own way, who knows how good the second horse was. If the second horse comes back to run well, Lukas is in good shape. Soundly defeated him. He looked visually impressive too. I can't tout him over a proven horse yet though into a top 20 - but he's won I'm watching with interest.

[smartyalex]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I don't like him at all as a Derby horse myself.

Well hell, as of right now I LOVE his chances in this years crop!!!

[jpops757]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

I'm inclined to think the Chase City is an error on the voters part, I'll email them and find out. I don't check each and every vote, as we have a great panel and they know what's up and up.

I understand you touting the quality of your voters. The including of Chace City by any of them takes away from the creditability of the whole bunch. Im sure Steve feels that this is not something that helps his credibility even tho he wasnt the on that did this.

[Travis Stone]

Originally Posted by jpops757

...takes away from the creditability of the whole bunch...

How do you figure?

We passed out lifetime PPs of all horses prior to nominations and he was in the file. So, he was receiving votes based upon that. To be honest, I didn't know he was dead either but he has since been removed from the database.

I certainly do not think this situation hinders the credibility of our panel as I know some of them post here and would agree. Thanks for checking out the site, we appreciate it, and keep reading!!

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Travis Stone

Thanks for checking out the site, we appreciate it, and keep reading!!

hey Travis...please tell Pat Cummings that this reader really enjoyed the piece on Curule