The Harty Effect

[repent]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Perhaps you are right, but considering his long track record of messing up horses, I'll put forth the proposition that he had something to do with her dying in much the same way pletcher had nothing to do with that really nice horse left bank.



not much debate from me on harty training imperial gesture at 2, but i'm highly doubtful he trained her at 3.

he also ruined the probable bc filly winner this year, in imperial reign. after making a pair of really bone headed remarks, she ended up getting seriously wounded and then retired (pretty sure she's now retired).

hey druggie, do you remember those pair of harty quotes about IR this past summer and fall? one was something about being a small big filly, but i cant remember the other one.

well, no. he certainly did NOT train IGesture at 3.
and he did not train Street Cry or any other top Godolphin horse past the age of 2.
the program was set to where he only trained their better horses at the age of 2, and then they wintered in Dubai and were then under the care of Suroor.
but he did train Tempera to a BCJF win and IGesture and Street Cry also ran well in that year's BC.

as for Tempera's death, Im not sure Harty even saw her at the age of 3.
the last time she was with Harty, she was winning the BCJF.

hey, I dont know if the guy is a good trainer or not.
Im not a horesman.
and I dont know if he has trouble keeping his stock sound.
I would not know that kind of thing b/c again, Im not a horseman.

but Harty did do a decent job with the Godolphin/Darley 2YOs when they were in his care.
he enjoyed some level of success.

[blackthroatedwind]

I think the supposed " decent job " Harty has done with the $100 million or so of 2YO horseflesh he has ruined, oh I mean been given, is yet another example of " a good horse can overcome a great deal ".

[repent]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I think the supposed " decent job " Harty has done with the $100 million or so of 2YO horseflesh he has ruined, oh I mean been given, is yet another example of " a good horse can overcome a great deal ".

depends on your definition of a "decent job" I guess.

hes not TPletcher, but I dont think you can blame him for the death of Tempera or Terrell's failure to be an Eclipse award winning sprinter either.

[Sightseek]

Barbican, brother to Tempera, looked pretty promising this time last year before being sidelined...his race back wasn't exactly inspiring either.

[Betsy]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Barbican, brother to Tempera, looked pretty promising this time last year before being sidelined...his race back wasn't exactly inspiring either.

After being off for a year, he ran really well at a distance shorter than his best against a decent allowance field..........but as he hasn't raced since, I suppose injuries have cropped up again. That is one jinxed family - Tempera dying early, a promising full sister suffering a career-ending injury in her debut, now Barbican with his injuries....

[SentToStud]

Harty had a 4 yo filly last year named Dubai Escapade which won a G2-Madison and a G1 - Ballerina. I remember her winning the Ballerina by 6-7 lengths and also she won a stakes at Belmont by a large margin. I saw her the day she ran poorly (as many did) at Calder in the Rooney.

I think she was either lightly raced or unraced at 2.

I am trying not to get in the blame game anymore, so I am not going to blame Harty for Tempera's fate. I do think certain trainers do a better job with their charges: Bobby Frankel stands out with me; his horses are cared for with the utmost attention to keeping them healthy. He was able to get Empire Maker to last through the TC. From what I read about the horse, he had soundness problems. Others did not do so well. I do not think Bob Baffert's Vindication was treated as well as Empire Maker; thus he had to be retired before ever running as a three-year-old. That still bothers me. I was hoping to see Vindy beat EM.