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Old 02-20-2007, 04:32 PM
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Anyone else amused by the fact that the trainer coming off suspension trains "Forty Grams"
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Old 02-20-2007, 04:35 PM
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Anyone else amused by the fact that the trainer coming off suspension trains "Forty Grams"
Amused?
Nope.
Some get caught, some don't.
Caution is the operative word.
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:25 PM
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Teuflesberg obviously is not going to win the Kentucky Derby---and will be overrated next time out off this win.

He was basically allowed to dilly dally on a rather uncontested lead, through very soft fractions! By comparison, the wire-to-wire winner of race #3, which was an ugly bottom level condition claiming race, set faster fractions than Teuflesberg did.

Teuflesberg's final time of 1:38.20 for one mile---also doesn't look so impressive when you consider a maiden sprinter, off a five month plus layoff, ran 1:09.92 an hour or so earlier on the card. Basically, running a quarter mile less, in 28.28 seconds less.

I wouldn't consider him a top 25 Derby candidate right now
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:33 PM
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How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:35 PM
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How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.
I really doubt that...
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:40 PM
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If you think Circular Quay is a serious Derby contender you would have to say T'berger is too
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:07 PM
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If you think Circular Quay is a serious Derby contender you would have to say T'berger is too
I personally don't think either are.

T'berger, as you call him, really runs by far his best races on the lead, and especially when allowed a comfortable lead through soft fractions, like what happened yesterday.

It's very unlikely he'll get such a trip in the Derby. Regardless of who is training him, he's simply not a Derby horse in my opinion.

Of course, that doesn't mean he's a horse I don't respect. He's certainly been quite the bargain buy....and, if he gets things all his own way, he is capable of running pretty well against pretty good horses.
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:39 PM
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How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.
AGREE 100%
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Old 02-20-2007, 06:03 PM
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How many 3yos running right now have laid the 100 ball going two turns?

Hes earned a little respect. He may not win the Derby, but hes much better than people give him credit for. If this horse were in the hands of Pletcher, or Zito, or any other big namer he would be a top 5 Derby horse.
AGREE 100%
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:08 PM
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also doesn't look so impressive when you consider a maiden sprinter, off a five month plus layoff, ran 1:09.92 an hour or so earlier on the card. Basically, running a quarter mile less, in 28.28 seconds less.
This Lukas TC nominated eight-length maiden winner also earned a Beyer Figure of 107.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:24 PM
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This Lukas TC nominated eight-length maiden winner also earned a Beyer Figure of 107.
Wow. That's impressive.
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Old 02-20-2007, 11:36 PM
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Old news now, but here's my 2 cents. I tossed Hard Spun due to value issues. Looked like 4 horses that would love to have the lead if they were allowed to run 23 and 47 flat. Not that fast for Oaklawn at a mile. Tossed Tuefelsburg and Starbase because I thought they needed an easy lead and wouldn't get it. Had just about everyone else except the 2 who was a several notches below. Loved Pletchers horse just because he sent him. Race was over after the half and I cussed the jockeys on other supposed early speed for the next 30 minutes....

IMO, only horse that ran a race to be excited about was Officer Rocket. Had traffic problems thru the 2nd turn and weaved thru stragglers in the stretch while gaining on the winner even with the soft pace. Tuefelsburg ran a nice race, but I don't see that race putting him into TC races contention. Still, a nice horse that is making someone look smart.
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Old 02-20-2007, 05:54 PM
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Amused?
Nope.
Some get caught, some don't.
Caution is the operative word.
How about they shouldn't be doing it in the first place?
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