Everyone's favorite butcher

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

It was a 12 horse field, and though beaten 8 lengths by the Lukas horse, the Malibu Moon debuter for Tim Ritchey did have 6 1/2 lengths on the rest of the field. A $140K Dixie Union and a $135K Not for Love yearling ran 3rd and 4th. Beaten 14 1/2 and 16 lengths respectively.

It will be interesting to see what the Beyer comes back for the winner. It's been five years since a winner of an Oaklawn Park maiden race has run a triple digit Beyer. A horse named Medeglia D' Oro won by 4.25 lengths in an Oaklwan Park maiden race in Feb of '02. Getting his 6 furlongs in 1:10 4/5ths that day, and earning a 101 Beyer

He was sold privately after that race....and was transferred from the barn of David Vance into Bobby Frankel's barn.

He made his next start in the Grade 2 San Felipe Stakes---and was dismissed at an INSANE 8.5-to-1 odds---needless to say he won easily and ran a 107 Beyer.

How on earth could a horse who had run the fastest figure in the race, and was going from Vance to Frankel, have paid $19.00!?

So does this make him 3 out of 5 of your magical Derby formula? Broke maiden in second start by 8+ lengths posting a Beyer from 86-100something? Too short of distance and a few months too late...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I wouldn't call it a magical Derby formula....more like something that came to my crazed mind all of a sudden....and is based on only a four year sample. Like a whacky odd trend I'd say.

IMO, this is no Derby horse. This horse obviously has a massive amount of talent, and could be an excellent sprinter....possibly effective right up to a mile.

I just have a feeling Lukas will badly mismanage this horse, and try to rush this horse on the Derby Trail.

One of many examples would be the way Lukas managed Scrimshaw a few years ago. In his 2nd career start, Scrimshaw won a VERY strong alw race, I believe in 1:08 and change, on Santa Anita's opening day card (Ghostzapper was 4th as the odds-on favorite in that race)

Schrimshaw, who could have been a very nice sprinter, was later rushed back off a 2 plus month layoff, in a desperate attempt to make the triple crown series, and won the Lexington Stakes two weeks before the Derby. Lukas ran him in all three triple crown races---and simply ruined him.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wouldn't call it a magical Derby formula....more like something that came to my crazed mind all of a sudden....and is based on only a four year sample. Like a whacky odd trend I'd say.

IMO, this is no Derby horse. This horse obviously has a massive amount of talent, and could be an excellent sprinter....possibly effective right up to a mile.

I just have a feeling Lukas will badly mismanage this horse, and try to rush this horse on the Derby Trail.

One of many examples would be the way Lukas managed Scrimshaw a few years ago. In his 2nd career start, Scrimshaw won a VERY strong alw race, I believe in 1:08 and change, on Santa Anita's opening day card (Ghostzapper was 4th as the odds-on favorite in that race)

Schrimshaw, who could have been a very nice sprinter, was later rushed back off a 2 plus month layoff, in a desperate attempt to make the triple crown series, and won the Lexington Stakes two weeks before the Derby. Lukas ran him in all three triple crown races---and simply ruined him.

Perhaps Lukas believes that lighting can strike yet again? Charismatic wasn't the best managed horse...yet somehow...

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Perhaps Lukas believes that lighting can strike yet again? Charismatic wasn't the best managed horse...yet somehow...

In times past, he's had stables over-flowing with very talented prospects---and by pointing all of them to the Classics, in crazed fashion, he should have some impressive numbers in those races.

I just think his philosophy has led to him ruining a real mind-boggling amount of very talented horses over the years. Many, I believe, could have really thrived under more careful handeling.