Shake You Down

Linny · #1 02-13-2007, 05:25 PM

The JC has no designation in their database for nonracing, papered TB's. papers make him eleigible. If someone marks them before selling a horse and that horse fall into the "wrong hands" down the line the "wrong" person needs only to request new papers of the JC and presto! instant RACEhorse.

#2 02-13-2007, 06:09 PM

I just don't get all the criticism. If all the people nastily criticizing Cole/Lake are so upset by them racing their horse, then go to CT with the money and go claim him. Then you can do with him as you wish. Otherwise, stop whining.

saucon17 · #3 02-13-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Do you honestly not see what is wrong here? The horse put those 2 guys on the map. Made them a ton of money. Cole went on record saying he wouldn't run him under $15,000 and is now. The horse obviously has no interest in running anymore and I think people just don't want to see him injured. Cole should be ashamed of himself. What exactly does running Shake You Down get him? Does he need that purse money? Please. Guy is a douche.

AMEN

Totally agree with you

Danzig · #4 02-14-2007, 06:46 AM

got my newest bloodhorse, and guess who they had an article about? cole. and shake you down is mentioned in there, as is a 'national radio show' that gave him a hard time. hmm, wonder who that could be?

i wish i could put my money where my mouth is, and claim the horse-guess i'll just have to whine about it as someone said above. but then, many of the threads on here could be construed by some as 'whining'. but then, vampires suck the life blood wherever they can...

Linny · #5 02-14-2007, 06:53 AM

You can sell or give away a horse w/ no papers but many "post race" homes (not nessessarily in SYDs case) WANT papers. They want to have a verifyable record of who the horse is. Within the show/sporthorse realms, pedigree and papers have become very important.

I'd like the JC to honor the wishes of owners who want to sell or give away a horse with papers that the animal will never return to racing.

Kasept · #6 02-14-2007, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Danzig188

got my newest bloodhorse, and guess who they had an article about? cole. and shake you down is mentioned in there, as is a 'national radio show' that gave him a hard time. hmm, wonder who that could be?

Well.. there's only one 'national radio show' about horse racing that I'm aware of, so I have an idea... Will have to ask the author of the piece, who I understand wasn't keen on doing it, about the specifics...

Danzig · #7 02-14-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Well.. there's only one 'national radio show' about horse racing that I'm aware of, so I have an idea... Will have to ask the author of the piece, who I understand wasn't keen on doing it, about the specifics...

i glanced thru the article a bit looking for mention of shake you down. can't believe that guy threw a hissie and really, truly thought he should get the top owner eclipse. he also is amused that some MD racing secretaries are sore at him for claiming horses and then taking them out of the area to run...reminds me of another owner who played this sort of game, wonder if gill is this guys hero or something? at any rate, i wasn't impressed from what i saw in there.

paisjpq · #8 02-14-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Well.. there's only one 'national radio show' about horse racing that I'm aware of, so I have an idea... Will have to ask the author of the piece, who I understand wasn't keen on doing it, about the specifics...

no it isn't...there is another 'national show' on every saturday.

I realize that Haskin was talking about you but lets not lose sight of the facts.

Cannon Shell · #9 02-14-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

no it isn't...there is another 'national show' on every saturday.

I realize that Haskin was talking about you but lets not lose sight of the facts.

yeah but no one listens to that show....at least they dont twice

#10 02-13-2007, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

The JC has no designation in their database for nonracing, papered TB's. papers make him eleigible. If someone marks them before selling a horse and that horse fall into the "wrong hands" down the line the "wrong" person needs only to request new papers of the JC and presto! instant RACEhorse.

Sold without papers... so the JC won't issue new ones

Thoroughbred Fan · #11 02-13-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Samm

Sold without papers... so the JC won't issue new ones

That is what I said, as a horse owner. Someone here insinuated they could get new papers. Not true only the owner of record with the jockey club can get new papers. You can sell a horse without the appropriate Jockey Club notification if it is for hunting, leisure riding, etc....

The new owners can not get papers without your consent!

LARHAGE · #12 02-14-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Samm

Sold without papers... so the JC won't issue new ones

Thats what I thought, a few years ago we got a beautiful black Thoroughbred from Bobby Frankel, he wouldn't release the papers to be sure the horse never ran again, too bad as he would have crossed beautifully with Warmblood mares, he went to a great home as a hunter and dressage prospect. As in all breeds if the horses are sold without papers, you can not simply ask for new ones, the owner on record has to have a transfer of ownership signed and dated.

Linny · #13 02-14-2007, 11:50 AM

The point is that the papers make horses eligible for certain other registries. Mares w/TB papers are eligible for certain warmblood registries' main books etc. For many folks outside the racing world, those papers are important. They prove age, parentage and provide a history of the animal's whereabouts. The problem is that since the JC will replaced marked papers the only way to keep a horse away from racing is to destroy the papers. Trainers who are doing so are doing it for a good reason, yet they may be doing a disservice (indirectly) to the horse, or future owners.

If the JC would acknowledge the "NON RACING" designation (ie, honor the racing owner's wishes) then the horse could keep his or her papers and still never be able to race again.

LARHAGE · #14 02-14-2007, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

The point is that the papers make horses eligible for certain other registries. Mares w/TB papers are eligible for certain warmblood registries' main books etc. For many folks outside the racing world, those papers are important. They prove age, parentage and provide a history of the animal's whereabouts. The problem is that since the JC will replaced marked papers the only way to keep a horse away from racing is to destroy the papers. Trainers who are doing so are doing it for a good reason, yet they may be doing a disservice (indirectly) to the horse, or future owners.

If the JC would acknowledge the "NON RACING" designation (ie, honor the racing owner's wishes) then the horse could keep his or her papers and still never be able to race again.

I completely agree with you, I breed dogs and on the registration papers they have a box the breeder can check if they don't want the dog to be bred, it doesn't prevent them from participating in other events or make them lose their pedigree, just prevent careless back yard breedings. The Jockey Club could just as easily have this option on their papers.

#15 02-21-2007, 10:47 AM

I agree that he should be retired, but where did any one get the idea that he belongs at the Kentucky Horse Park. They have a Hall of Champions and Shake You Down was never a champion. Was he ever a statebred champion? Absent some champion status, I see him more at Old Friends or Rerun than at the KY Horse Park.

MISTERGEE · #16 02-21-2007, 10:54 AM

just out of curiosity how did he run in that 4 and a half furlong race at ct for $7500 a few days ago?