Sun King

Sightseek · #1 02-13-2007, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by ShadowRoll

Sure, he's not the second coming of Secretariat, but who is these days? He usually gives an honest effort, he's still running, and he's earned, I believe, just short of $2 million, but I guess you can always find something to criticize. I've seen him run a couple of times and I look forward to seeing him run again.

Not to mention a mere nose seperated him from Grade 1 victory against Invasor and he was only a head short in the Met Mile.

SniperSB23 · #2 02-13-2007, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Not to mention a mere nose seperated him from Grade 1 victory against Invasor and he was only a head short in the Met Mile.

Which would have made him only the sixth horse in history to win the Met Mile and Whitney in the same calendar year. Can anyone (without cheating) name the first five to do so?

The Indomitable DrugS · #3 02-13-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Which would have made him only the sixth horse in history to win the Met Mile and Whitney in the same calendar year. Can anyone (without cheating) name the first five to do so?

Yes, if he didn't put on a dramatic display of hanging in the final yards of both races last year, he'd have swept them.

Criminal Type and In Excess I'm sure of. I'll stab with Kelso, Forego, and Buckpasser for the other three

SniperSB23 · #4 02-13-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes, if he didn't put on a dramatic display of hanging in the final yards of both races last year, he'd have swept them.

Criminal Type and In Excess I'm sure of. I'll stab with Kelso, Forego, and Buckpasser for the other three

There were actually seven, I missed two. In Excess, Criminal Type and Kelso are correct. Four others have done it.

Linny · #5 02-13-2007, 01:46 PM

SK takes a beating here and elsewhere but what do owners race their stock for? To make money. This guy's banked nearly $2m. Anyone here campaigned a horse with that kind of bankroll?
invasor is the best horse in the US and SK was a nose back at Saratoga. SK didn't exactly get the dream run that day.

The Indomitable DrugS · #6 02-13-2007, 01:49 PM

Tom Fool is another....

SniperSB23 · #7 02-13-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Tom Fool is another....

yup, two were before Tom Fool, one was around the time of Kelso.

MLC · #8 02-13-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

yup, two were before Tom Fool, one was around the time of Kelso.

Carry Back?

Gander · #9 02-13-2007, 01:51 PM

Linny:
I recall Sun King getting a real nice trip that day but I could be wrong, as the race was a while ago. I thought he had every chance to get by Invasor and he simply didnt. After the race I thought he had won and was very mad at myself for betting "the wrong Zito horse" in Wanderin Boy, who ran awful.
When I learned that Invasor won, it was a consolation to me.

The Indomitable DrugS · #10 02-13-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Linny

SK didn't exactly get the dream run that day.

Compared to Invasor's trip....he absolutely did.

#11 02-13-2007, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Compared to Invasor's trip....he absolutely did.

Actually, he didn't, really. SK was wider (significantly, if memory serves me correctly), moved at the same time that Invasor did and at no point in the race was more than 3 lengths behind the latter.

get the running line and chart the race -- (let me know if you need a copy, I'll send you one)

It's one thing for the figure makers (and part time race watchers) to put that opinion out there

quite another from someone who claims to watch alot of races

Should SK have won the race given the trip --- Absolutely, but he's a bigtime
hanger.

Was Invasor exposed ----Absolutely, anyone else but a hanger gets by him.

Gander · #12 02-13-2007, 02:04 PM

I agree, the trip didnt cost Sun King the race. He had his chance and couldnt get it done.

The Indomitable DrugS · #13 02-13-2007, 02:11 PM

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Was Invasor exposed ----Absolutely, anyone else but a hanger gets by him.

I was there live for the race and have seen it several times.

If you think Invasor was somehow exposed that day---that's just your own bad judgement at work.

He was moved very pre-maturely into the teeth of a hot pace, to engage Flower Alley...and they were hooked for nearly five furlongs, before Invasor stylishly put him away and left him for dead.

Meanwhile, Sun King stalked that battle from a outstanding tactical spot, and only had to mop up the survivor of the two. After Invasor left Flower Alley for dead, he had to withstand a fresh challenge from Sun King, who had a MUCH less stressful trip.

Invasor had every right to yield in the late stages, and Sun King had every right to press by.

When you watched this race, IMO, You put WAY to much emphasis on ground loss, and not nearly enough on the tactical circumstances of the race.

#14 02-13-2007, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Compared to Invasor's trip....he absolutely did.

you mean getting to to chase 7 speed horses who all started to collapse, except the winner, while the winner was getting the worst ride in history, is not a candy set up?

If sun king was every going to beat a top class horse it would have been that set up.

Sun King never finished ahead of Giacomo in a race (0/3), thats all I need to know.

Gander · #15 02-13-2007, 02:38 PM

I forgot about the Carter. The race which made Bishop Court Hill a household name. LOL! Maybe Sun King can luck out (like Jazil did last year) and find a soft field for a grade 1.

The Indomitable DrugS · #16 02-13-2007, 02:42 PM

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Sun King never finished ahead of Giacomo in a race (0/3), thats all I need to know.

You know, I believe I heard that stat before.

I like it!

declansharbor · #17 02-13-2007, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 10 pnt move up

you mean getting to to chase 7 speed horses who all started to collapse, except the winner, while the winner was getting the worst ride in history, is not a candy set up?

If sun king was every going to beat a top class horse it would have been that set up.

Sun King never finished ahead of Giacomo in a race (0/3), thats all I need to know.

Yeah, and Upset beat Man O War, hence the second meaning of upset(At least that's what robert Wuhl said)......Does that make him a better horse?? No..
It all depends on pace scenarios, which is the main reason i go with early speed..Sometimes, stretch runners cant "get up" in time..

The Indomitable DrugS · #18 02-13-2007, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Not to mention a mere nose seperated him from Grade 1 victory against Invasor and he was only a head short in the Met Mile.

Albeit, the winner had a very difficult trip, and the runner-up a dream trip.

Sightseek · #19 02-13-2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Albeit, the winner had a very difficult trip, and the runner-up a dream trip.

True, but you'll never see that notation on any stallion ad.