Rise of CF

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Let me state it in a different way, using an instrument of coercion, ie the state, to advance their vision of utopia.

Utopia... WTF? Their vision of Utopia? You think any politician in the US thinks a democracy is going to work out some sort of social paradise? You have got to be kidding. No Rep. or Democrat that has a brain and common sense thinks a democracy can ever yield some sort of heaven. Get real.