Anyone See the Risen Star?

Buffymommy · #1 02-10-2007, 06:12 PM

How did Slew's Tizzy look before that? My nephew liked this horse.

Kasept · #2 02-10-2007, 06:18 PM

Notional waqs wonderful today Rand.. Did all O'Neill would want... Grew up a lot. Sat off while outside; moved when asked and fought for lead; looked collared and stayed on between horses before drawing off to win by a couple.

Circular Quay was down inside and marooned. Nowhere to go at the top of the stretch. As is always the problem with horses like him... Bill Kaplan's "W&CGuy" ran very nicely chasing wide and coming on late. Zanjero third but I never really "saw" what he was doing...

Don't know how far Notional wants to stretch, but he's a quality colt and all the way back to his insanely huge debut now...

O'Neill-Reddam and Bill Kaplan... 30% of the Derby field between them? Possible...

randallscott35 · #3 02-10-2007, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Notional waqs wonderful today Rand.. Did all O'Neill would want... Grew up a lot. Sat off while outside; moved when asked and fought for lead; looked collared and stayed on between horses before drawing off to win by a couple.

Circular Quay was down inside and marooned. Nowhere to go at the top of the stretch. As is always the problem with horses like him... Bill Kaplan's "W&CGuy" ran very nicely chasing wide and coming on late. Zanjero third but I never really "saw" what he was doing...

Don't know how far Notional wants to stretch, but he's a quality colt and all the way back to his insanely huge debut now...

O'Neill-Reddam and Bill Kaplan... 30% of the Derby field between them? Possible...

Awesome, thanks. Thinking maybe this is O'Neill chance after losing Stevie Wonderboy to injury in his 3yr old season.

brianwspencer · #4 02-10-2007, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Circular Quay was down inside and marooned. Nowhere to go at the top of the stretch. As is always the problem with horses like him... Bill Kaplan's "W&CGuy" ran very nicely chasing wide and coming on late. Zanjero third but I never really "saw" what he was doing...

It's hard to say how much run he would have had though before avoiding the 1 after it tossed Graham.

He ran on well to be fifth. Not sure he would have been the winner, but may have made it interesting.....

Kasept · #5 02-10-2007, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brianwspencer

It's hard to say how much run he would have had though before avoiding the 1 after it tossed Graham. He ran on well to be fifth. Not sure he would have been the winner, but may have made it interesting.....

Interesting for third..

blackthroatedwind · #6 02-10-2007, 06:25 PM

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

randallscott35 · #7 02-10-2007, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

Fair Grounds is unavailable on Youbet so I couldn't see it.

brianwspencer · #8 02-10-2007, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I was sure he was going to go down when I saw it. Like I said before -- not sure he was the winner, but would have made it interesting and acquitted himself nicely after the incident.

paisjpq · #9 02-10-2007, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?
Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

nope, not on in the hinterlands.

Holland Hacker · #10 02-10-2007, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

From what I saw as I only watched most of the race once on TVG CQ was off DEAD LAST and moved up along the inside . (TVG replayed the jockey falling about 10 times.) At the head of the lane JV had to pull him up to avoid the fallen rider. After that he had absolutely no shot. Just before the incident it looked like JV had plenty of horse, whether or not it was enough to get through the field in the stretch is another thing. The way Notional ran I doubt CQ would have gotten there in the end. CQ was in traffice on the rail and would have had to pass most of the field in the strecth.

In my opinion he would finished stroing but probably at best only gotten third or fourth at best.

Hope this helps.

blackthroatedwind · #11 02-10-2007, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Holland Hacker

From what I saw as I only watched most of the race once on TVG CQ was off DEAD LAST and moved up along the inside . (TVG replayed the jockey falling about 10 times.) At the head of the lane JV had to pull him up to avoid the fallen rider. After that he had absolutely no shot. Just before the incident it looked like JV had plenty of horse, whether or not it was enough to get through the field in the stretch is another thing. The way Notional ran I doubt CQ would have gotten there in the end. CQ was in traffice on the rail and would have had to pass most of the field in the strecth.

In my opinion he would finished stroing but probably at best only gotten third or fourth at best.

Hope this helps.

Well, one place he wasn't finishing was third....being that a head seperated the second and third finishers.

I have no idea where he would have finished, save to say much closer than he did, and I will bet against him when he is ridiculously overbet again next time. He's a closing sprinter and not even necessarily a particularly good one at that. However, he was completely eliminated today, after getting a very sweet trip albeit he was a bit slow out of the gate and the horse outside of him came over. Since he was dropping out of it anyway it really didn't particularly affect his positioning.

SniperSB23 · #12 02-10-2007, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I didn't think he would have won but certainly would have had a shot at 2nd without the problems. I'm going to be watching his odds closely in the Derby futures to see if they skyrocket.

brianwspencer · #13 02-10-2007, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

I didn't think he would have won but certainly would have had a shot at 2nd without the problems. I'm going to be watching his odds closely in the Derby futures to see if they skyrocket.

Was thinking that Notional winning doesn't make Liquidity look too bad either. Notional's going to go down the tube, and Liquidity may remain a good value in there. That was my first thought.

Kasept · #14 02-10-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Please watch this race again. Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

Watched again... 4X.. No way to know where Quay could have finished, but certainly lost all chance. I thought he was ahead of the incident in amongst when watching live, but was watching the action up front then. That's always the problem with a laggard running style, and JV might have thought about trying to get him off the rail well before the top of the stretch.

SCUDSBROTHER · #15 02-10-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

Yea,I saw it.A total toss for C.Q. NOTIONAL got a nice win.Spankey is lookin' for his boy Buckwheat.

packerbacker7964 · #16 02-10-2007, 07:50 PM

To me was trapped with no where to go. Sure he was full of run but where was he to run? Came to the top of the lane with his ears pricked but then again nowhere to run. I thought JV did a great job to just stay on him. I bet Tabor about **** his pants when the 1 lost his jockey right in front of Quay. Quay got a slammed right out of the gate was dead last into the 1st turn, had a horse throw his jockey right in front of him and still I say close for 5th place. Won? no. 4th at best I think.

Sightseek · #17 02-10-2007, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I don't believe the horse who lost his jock broke down, but clipped heels with 'captain which caused the jockey to go over his head.

blackthroatedwind · #18 02-10-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

I don't believe the horse who lost his jock broke down, but clipped heels with 'captain which caused the jockey to go over his head.

I believe you are correct. I apologize.

I should have said " went down ".

RAWSKILLZ · #19 02-10-2007, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I'm confused....did anyone actually WATCH this race?

Circular Quay, who I don't like and bet against, had an " Invasor trip " times ten. He was jammed inside by Velasquez and when the horse broke down directly in front of him he was COMPLETELY eliminated and lost many lengths. Please watch this race again.

Look, I don't think a great deal of Circular Quay going two turns, but the flow of the race fit his running style and he did VERY well to finish where he did considering his ridiculous amount of trouble.

I just got back from the track. Was a great day, thank god it has stopped raining for awhile. I was looking forward to seeing Quay and Not. both "in person". I was very impressed with Not.s last race and was looking to either count him out or put him firmly in my Derby horse list. Quay had a horrible,horrible, horrible trip. There is no way in earth that this race can be held agianst him. I still like him alot. But,,,,that being said, Not. became a man today! I dont see why he cant go on to bigger and better things. He is my #2 Derby horse right behind Nobiz. And its a close race between those two. Not's shown today that he can run between horses and not be afraid. You have to like a horse that will do that. Both Quay and Not. looked great today.

Sightseek · #20 02-10-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by PPerfectfan

I just got back from the track. Was a great day, thank god it has stopped raining for awhile. I was looking forward to seeing Quay and Not. both "in person". I was very impressed with Not.s last race and was looking to either count him out or put him firmly in my Derby horse list. Quay had a horrible,horrible, horrible trip. There is no way in earth that this race can be held agianst him. I still like him alot. But,,,,that being said, Not. became a man today! I dont see why he cant go on to bigger and better things. He is my #2 Derby horse right behind Nobiz. And its a close race between those two. Not's shown today that he can run between horses and not be afraid. You have to like a horse that will do that. Both Quay and Not. looked great today.

I'd rate Ravel higher in the Pletcher barn for the Derby than Circular Quay.