JAZIL....Most Overrated horse in the history of horse racing....

paisjpq · #1 02-08-2007, 06:33 AM

I haven't really heard anyone overhyping this horse...but he has won a classic (regardless of what you might think of the field) he is well bred (out of a stakes winning mare) he has a good overall record of 9 2-4-0 with one of his unplaced efforts being his 4th in the derby...and most importantly HE IS STILL IN TRAINING AT 4....what's not to like?

Better Than Honour on the rail...in the Demoiselle

Hickory Hill Hoff · #2 02-08-2007, 06:45 AM

My buddy Chris loved him after that Wood effort...at the time, thought he was no better than a deep closer. Finished right where I thought he would in the Derby...did surprise me with his running style in the Belmont. Too bad he got hurt then...would have improved a lot if he continued to run last year. His return race was just find and the winner there (Take the Bluff) won back yesterday. If he gets the right set today, should have a big chance versus these. Give him a lot of credit, he's back...more than I can say for the three year old champ of last year!

Kasept · #3 02-08-2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by paisjpq

I haven't really heard anyone overhyping this horse...but he has won a classic (regardless of what you might think of the field) he is well bred (out of a stakes winning mare) he has a good overall record of 9 2-4-0 with one of his unplaced efforts being his 4th in the derby...and most importantly HE IS STILL IN TRAINING AT 4....what's not to like?

The more I think about the slight at the top of this thread, the more annoying it is. The fact is, there aren't ENOUGH Jazil's around... Bred to run forever in a world of cheap speed... Sire Seeking the Gold needs no introduction... Dam Better Than Honour, as Pais mentions, was a multiple stakes winner: Demoiselle, Acorn and Comely. She's a Deputy Minister mare. Has a 2yo by Mineshaft.

The 2nd dam, Blush With Pride by Blushing Groom, was a KY Oaks winner, as well as winning 3 other grades and placing in three other Gr. I's... Third dam is Best in Show (Traffic Judge), a Comely winner like her grandaughter, and 1982 Broodmare of the Year.. Not only is Jazil more than useful or nice, he's important as he's carrying what looks to be an excellent sire's pedigree that can contribute to the stamina side in the shed.

blackthroatedwind · #4 02-08-2007, 07:19 AM

This thread is just another example of a baby crying in its crib.

If you ignore them they eventually stop.

Frankly, I'm far more interested in the plight of Johannesburg Star.

#5 02-08-2007, 07:28 AM

Yeah just knock the horse for running and not offer any insight as to who's going to beat him today. In the age where a horse can and will be retired for a random shart, it's nice to see a horse like Jazil on the track.

Mac88 · #6 02-08-2007, 07:34 AM

I mentioned in another thread that I do not like Jazil, but to say he is the most over rated horse out there is a bit much. However I do believe he will have trouble winning major races down the line just because of the setup he needs. Agree with BTW though. Johannesburg Star. Thats a story

JJP · #7 02-08-2007, 08:26 AM

I think he burns some more money today. He won't beat Corinthian, and he may not beat Dutrow's horse, either.

Sightseek · #8 02-08-2007, 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

The more I think about the slight at the top of this thread, the more annoying it is. The fact is, there aren't ENOUGH Jazil's around... Bred to run forever in a world of cheap speed... Sire Seeking the Gold needs no introduction... Dam Better Than Honour, as Pais mentions, was a multiple stakes winner: Demoiselle, Acorn and Comely. She's a Deputy Minister mare. Has a 2yo by Mineshaft.

The 2nd dam, Blush With Pride by Blushing Groom, was a KY Oaks winner, as well as winning 3 other grades and placing in three other Gr. I's... Third dam is Best in Show (Traffic Judge), a Comely winner like her grandaughter, and 1982 Broodmare of the Year.. Not only is Jazil more than useful or nice, he's important as he's carrying what looks to be an excellent sire's pedigree that can contribute to the stamina side in the shed.

Nice picture!

You rule Steve

slotdirt · #9 02-08-2007, 08:43 AM

I was just thinking the same thing. How could a horse that many thought was a slow plodder before the Triple Crown series of 2006 be overrated? As Steve mentioned, his breeding is impeccable, and he's bred to run all day.

I can think of a few overrated horses out there; Jazil's not one of them.

slotdirt · #10 02-08-2007, 08:45 AM

Incidentally, true to his Avatar, kasept is the Batman of Jazil! When an injustice is committed, Batman will be there!

Naturally you didn't know I was wearing my special Super B long thermal underwear.

todko · #11 02-09-2007, 01:02 AM

This horse was taken out of his running style and perhaps hasn't recovered from the bone bruising he suffered after the Belmont.

Retire him.

Corinthian only went 1:48 on a fast Gulfstream track and with Jazil 10 lengths back of that effort it's obvious the horse is not right. If the horse was right he wouldn't be in allowance conditions to begin with.

The Indomitable DrugS · #12 02-09-2007, 01:33 AM

He runs the same race everytime....he doesn't run horses down....he only passes the horses who stop in front of him. Which is why a brutally fast pace for the distance is so key to his success.

His mother actually won a Grade 2 stake with a 68 Beyer...and was a slowpoke just like him.

boswd · #13 02-09-2007, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by todko

This horse was taken out of his running style and perhaps hasn't recovered from the bone bruising he suffered after the Belmont.

Retire him.

Corinthian only went 1:48 on a fast Gulfstream track and with Jazil 10 lengths back of that effort it's obvious the horse is not right. If the horse was right he wouldn't be in allowance conditions to begin with.

That's not necissarly true about have a Stakes caliber horse run in an allowance race. Trainers use them all them time to kind of whip them back into racing shape before tackling the stronger competition. Very similiar concept that baseball uses when a player is making a comback to spend some time in the minors to get back into playing shape.

Kasept · #14 02-08-2007, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

Nice picture!

You rule Steve

And the pic is turned into an avatar I see! I spent a lot of time with Jazil at Palm Meadows last winter and then at Churchill when he and Flashy Bull were 3 stalls down from Sweetnorthernsaint and Pork Chop at Churchill. He's an exceptionally pleasant colt and as you can see, has the 'look of eagles'... He'll win today.

Sightseek · #15 02-08-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

And the pic is turned into an avatar I see! I spent a lot of time with Jazil at Palm Meadows last winter and then at Churchill when he and Flashy Bull were 3 stalls down from Sweetnorthernsaint and Pork Chop at Churchill. He's an exceptionally pleasant colt and as you can see, has the 'look of eagles'... He'll win today.

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

SniperSB23 · #16 02-08-2007, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

Oh come on, you know you just thought he looked cute splashing through the puddles on Wood Memorial day.

Sightseek · #17 02-08-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Oh come on, you know you just thought he looked cute splashing through the puddles on Wood Memorial day.

Those puddles were bigger than him................

philcski · #18 02-08-2007, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SniperSB23

Oh come on, you know you just thought he looked cute splashing through the puddles on Wood Memorial day.

I almost got attacked by Baffert that day after I told him Bob and John would need a golf cart to win the Derby!!! :P

paisjpq · #19 02-08-2007, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Sightseek

LOL, coincidentially I made it my avatar a day or two ago, I had a few others that were him too, but you couldn't tell who it was.

Part of the reason he is my favorite horse running is because he does look so pleasant and happy with the world and McLaughlin said he was a very trusting horse...he's got the qualities you look for in people really.

I wish I got to meet him, lucky you!

I could

Gander · #20 02-08-2007, 09:42 AM

You could make the case for the 2005 Belmont being weak as a field, but I think Afleet Alex was clearly a great horse and very unlucky not to have been a Triple Crown winner, as he was 5 lengths the best in the KY Derby.

Jazil is a good horse who was in the right place at the right time. If you run the 2006 Belmont 5 times, there is a good chance you get 4-5 different winners.

If you run the 2005 Belmont Stakes 5 times, well I think its hard pressed to say that any of those would have been near Afleet Alex. He was a machine.