Turfway

[todko]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

here's a link to the article if anyone is interested:

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.d...422/1077/COL02


didn't the poly company already come back once, after last years season, and re-work all of it? wonder if they have an extended warranty...

The re-worked it extensively over the summer. Scraped the top layer and put down a new layer with Spandex remnants and also stripped off plastic coverings from wire. Where they dig this **** up from is beyond me? I mean, who in their right mind would possibly think of Spandex and stripped off plastic wire covering? Unbelievable.

It did fairly well in the fall season for a brief time but it's a disaster now.

[todko]

Get real Champali Chick. Poly was sold as a miracle surface last year.

At this point at least Woodbine should purse legal action against Keeneland, Martin Collins LLC, et. al. -- Turfway really can't sue because they are half-owned by KEE and as such they must participate in the fraud.

Sell me a track for $8 million or even $2 million and let me have the kind of problems Woodbine has had. I'd guarantee a lawsuit that would shut down Martin Collins LLC for good.

Woodbine needs to wake up.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by todko

Get real Champali Chick. Poly was sold as a miracle surface last year.

At this point at least Woodbine should purse legal action against Keeneland, Martin Collins LLC, et. al. -- Turfway really can't sue because they are half-owned by KEE and as such they must participate in the fraud.

Sell me a track for $8 million or even $2 million and let me have the kind of problems Woodbine has had. I'd guarantee a lawsuit that would shut down Martin Collins LLC for good.

Woodbine needs to wake up.

Th people at Woodbine admit that they have had more problems than what was anticipated, but that the new surface is better than the old one.

[The Bid]

Maybe they meant it was better than the trot track they ran half the meet on

Its certainly not better than their old standard dirt track, its not even in the same breath.

Woodbine isnt real happy with Collins or Keeneland

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Maybe they meant it was better than the trot track they ran half the meet on

Its certainly not better than their old standard dirt track, its not even in the same breath.

Woodbine isnt real happy with Collins or Keeneland

Another quote from the Miami Herald article. However I know your response will be that she's lying, or that she has to say that, or that she's a shill for the polytrack industry, yet another member of the grand conspiracy against dirt racing.

Woodbine Racetrack, in Toronto, also experienced problems after spending $11.5 million to install Polytrack last summer.

"It wasn't performing as well as we'd hoped when the cold weather hit," said Jane Holmes, vice president of corporate affairs for Woodbine Entertainment Group.

But she added, "It's still much better than the old dirt track."

Originally Posted by todko

Get real Champali Chick. Poly was sold as a miracle surface last year.

At this point at least Woodbine should purse legal action against Keeneland, Martin Collins LLC, et. al. -- Turfway really can't sue because they are half-owned by KEE and as such they must participate in the fraud.

Sell me a track for $8 million or even $2 million and let me have the kind of problems Woodbine has had. I'd guarantee a lawsuit that would shut down Martin Collins LLC for good.

Woodbine needs to wake up.

"Real" is my middle name, didn't I tell you that?

That's interesting. I don't recall anyone ever saying anything about Polytrack being the "end all, be all" of horse racing. However it was "sold" is irrelevent. Did YOU believe Polytrack would be a miracle that would: End breakdowns, act as a vanishing cream for kickback, and oh heck, while we're at it, end world hunger?

I've experienced Turfway before Polytrack's installation, and speaking from the experience of the few barns I've worked in, the horses are coming back in better shape this time around than when the dirt surface was down.

I'm not saying I think Polytrack is terrific right now - obviously they've run into some kinks. With any new surface, problems should be expected to rise. As I said in my earlier post, horsemen complained about Polytrack being too slow - it was resurfaced (and by the way, during that process, more sand was added, which is the biggest change) and is now running more like a dirt track. It's clodding more like a dirt track, kicking back more like a dirt track, etc.

When Turfway had the dirt surface, the biggest issue was the "freeze and thaw" process. The racetrack would freeze, and then during the day, parts of it would thaw, some would thaw more than others, and the result was a horribly dangerous surface to race over. Since Polytrack's installation, the freeze and thaw matter has been totally moot.

As I mentioned before, breakdowns will happen even if you run on a surface made of Serta mattress'. There are horses on every backside across the country who have no business running, yet somehow their "trainers" get them to the races. Eventually, that catches up to the horse and something will give way.

The industry is making an effort to improve the game for the athletes (horse and human), and it's a step in the right direction. Once again, I mentioned in my above post that there are many evils in this game, but Polytrack isn't one of them.

[The Bid]

Actually Champ Ali, it makes a big difference how it was marketed. When you market a surface as "all weather" requiring "little or no maintenance" then in the same breath rip 4 inches of cat pissed rug,spandex, and tires off the top something doesnt jive. They have tried everything to right that surface, and they just cant do it....Know why? Because they didnt do the appropriate testing before they installed it. They didnt know what tearing 4 inches off would do, they didnt know what bad weather would do, they didnt anticipate 100 yards of frozen polyblocks being kicked back, they didnt think it would be clumping, freezing, uneven, and dangerous. They didnt think about much more than running dates when they laid that ****. They thought about full fields, increased handle, and more dates. Do you think for one second the horeses best interest was in mind, PUHLEASE. They are breaking down with a steady frequency, they are having major problems, its about time to be honest with the general public. The horsemen know there are issues, managment knows there is issues, its irresponsible of Keeneland to continue marketing this surface as all weather.

Reading your posts is a very tiring process.

I don't post in this thread with the idea of changing your mind - it was would an endless project in getting you to cut the attitude out of your posts, let alone changing their tune all together.

Your opinion on the synthetic racing surface is going to remain the same whether I argue back and forth with you or not. In all honesty, if your opinions on this subject are so strong, why don't you send letters to those who have the power do anything about it.

Although, when you send those letters, I would leave out the sarcasm attitude. It's frowned upon, usually.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

why don't you send letters to those who have the power do anything about it.

Although, when you send those letters, I would leave out the sarcasm attitude. It's frowned upon, usually.

Probably because it would be a waste of perfectly good ink and paper...?

As we all should know by now....the vast majority of the "powers that be", in this game, are notoriously incompetent hacks....who can't get out of there own way.

[The Bid]

Im not making you read them.

Like Drugs said, it would be a waste of my time to write. Itll take a few more horses being crippled up or cancelled dates before they start to reassess the situation.

[ArlJim78]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Probably because it would be a waste of perfectly good ink and paper...?

As we all should know by now....the vast majority of the "powers that be", in this game, are notoriously incompetent hacks....who can't get out of there own way.

Yes and in contrast to the rational, level headed arguments that are put forth around here by the "dirt lobby".

[todko]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Probably because it would be a waste of perfectly good ink and paper...?

As we all should know by now....the vast majority of the "powers that be", in this game, are notoriously incompetent hacks....who can't get out of there own way.

I did write to the "powers that be". And I wrote before the first horse ever raced on Poly at Turfway. Before the first fall meet that used poly. They said I was making "suppositions" that the track would have a kickback problem. Martin Collins never returned a single inquiry.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Actually Champ Ali, it makes a big difference how it was marketed. When you market a surface as "all weather" requiring "little or no maintenance" then in the same breath rip 4 inches of cat pissed rug,spandex, and tires off the top something doesnt jive. They have tried everything to right that surface, and they just cant do it....Know why? Because they didnt do the appropriate testing before they installed it. They didnt know what tearing 4 inches off would do, they didnt know what bad weather would do, they didnt anticipate 100 yards of frozen polyblocks being kicked back, they didnt think it would be clumping, freezing, uneven, and dangerous. They didnt think about much more than running dates when they laid that ****. They thought about full fields, increased handle, and more dates. Do you think for one second the horeses best interest was in mind, PUHLEASE. They are breaking down with a steady frequency, they are having major problems, its about time to be honest with the general public. The horsemen know there are issues, managment knows there is issues, its irresponsible of Keeneland to continue marketing this surface as all weather.

They tested the track on Keenelands training track and had no problems.

You really are spending too much of your time and energy on this crusade. I'm starting to worry about YOUR health. Maybe some yoga and breathing exercises will bring down your blood pressure.