not such a bad idea IMO

Originally Posted by paisjpq

to make a trainer have to pay his jockey even if the horse is DQ'd for a drug positive...I think hurting the checkbook is still the probably the best way to cut down on cheating...

http://www.thoroughbredtimes.com/nat...ied-horse.aspx

That depends entirely on whose checkbook is going to be hurting. I doubt Todd Plechter was really sturggling to get by when his horse came up positive...

I maintain there should be a "Strike 3" rule. You get caught once, there's a fine. Twice, a bigger fine, a suspension, Three time, and you're out: Lifetime ban.

Of course, I'm not at all a tolerant person...

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

That depends entirely on whose checkbook is going to be hurting. I doubt Todd Plechter was really sturggling to get by when his horse came up positive...

I maintain there should be a "Strike 3" rule. You get caught once, there's a fine. Twice, a bigger fine, a suspension, Three time, and you're out: Lifetime ban.

Of course, I'm not at all a tolerant person...

perhaps it wouldn't truly 'hurt' the big trainers but the message it sends is the same...

the biggest problem with it would be trying to reason out the 'accidental' overages and the blatant abuse of illegal medications...ie a bute positive vs. a mepivicaine positive...they are not the same thing and should not be looked at the same...a rule like this probably creates more chaos than solution...

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

perhaps it wouldn't truly 'hurt' the big trainers but the message it sends is the same...

the biggest problem with it would be trying to reason out the 'accidental' overages and the blatant abuse of illegal medications...ie a bute positive vs. a mepivicaine positive...they are not the same thing and should not be looked at the same...a rule like this probably creates more chaos than solution...

And with no nationally recognized governing body is completely unenforceable. What is illegal and considered an overage in one state may be tollerable in another. What then?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

And with no nationally recognized governing body is completely unenforceable. What is illegal and considered an overage in one state may be tollerable in another. What then?

the first part of your sentence hit on the real problem...we need a national governing body for the sport...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

the first part of your sentence hit on the real problem...we need a national governing body for the sport...

It simply wont happen

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It simply wont happen

I agree, but what is needed and what is done are often 2 different things.

[Cannon Shell]

This idea is one of the most shallow attempts by the Jockeys Guild to extort money yet.

If a horse comes up positive it is DQed because it supposedly was artificially enhanced and had an advantage over the other horses in the race. If this is true then why should the jockey benefit?

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This idea is one of the most shallow attempts by the Jockeys Guild to extort money yet.

If a horse comes up positive it is DQed because it supposedly was artificially enhanced and had an advantage over the other horses in the race. If this is true then why should the jockey benefit?

I agree with what you are saying...but to lplay devil's advocate...look at it from another perspective...the jockey didn't know that the horse he was on was going to test and he fufilled his obligation to ride the horse to the best of his ability...so why should he get screwed out of purse money when he didn't do anything wrong?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This idea is one of the most shallow attempts by the Jockeys Guild to extort money yet.

If a horse comes up positive it is DQed because it supposedly was artificially enhanced and had an advantage over the other horses in the race. If this is true then why should the jockey benefit?

Because the jockey fullfilled his or her engagement by showing up , pulling weight , taking the risk and riding the race. Ive had it happen to me when I was riding , the trainer got a bad test and the next week they took it out of my paycheck, I didnt do anything wrong , infact I did everything right and so now Im going to get screwed out of my money that I earned because the trainer was a bonehead.

Originally Posted by paisjpq

perhaps it wouldn't truly 'hurt' the big trainers but the message it sends is the same...

the biggest problem with it would be trying to reason out the 'accidental' overages and the blatant abuse of illegal medications...ie a bute positive vs. a mepivicaine positive...they are not the same thing and should not be looked at the same...a rule like this probably creates more chaos than solution...

It's a good thing I'm not "god of racing," because I would be a real pain in the you-know-what, lol.

I'm against raceday medications of almost every kind. Bute, for example, has it's place in the equine world. If I need to quickly reduce inflammation, I drop a dose of bute in their feed, but beyond that I don't use the stuff. It's hard on kidneys and hard on the equine tummy - one of my personal show horses is quite colic prone, and bute is only ever used for him in an emergency situation (i.e. a puncture wound suffered last summer).

I don't think racehorses should be allowed to run on bute or banamine, and I don't think horses should be allowed to run on Lasix unless they're a proven bleeder. I never liked the idea of Lasix... but that's another debate for another time.

Like I said, I'm one of those "no tolerance" kind of people, which is sometimes good and sometimes... not so much. I could go into a 5 page long ramble on all kinds of alternatives for medications, but this isn't the place or time, lol. In fact, I think my "Strike 3" theory is pretty tolerant, compared to what I'd REALLY like to do.

[sumitas]

I still like the idea of a track pharmacy. All medicines for the horses must come from the parmacy and be recorded. Any substances found that cannot be documented, yer DQd and punished. This should be required for all tracks.

[Left Bank]

The way I see the guild taking this is the good old american way:SUE THE BASTARDS!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Champali Chick

That depends entirely on whose checkbook is going to be hurting. I doubt Todd Plechter was really sturggling to get by when his horse came up positive...

I maintain there should be a "Strike 3" rule. You get caught once, there's a fine. Twice, a bigger fine, a suspension, Three time, and you're out: Lifetime ban.

Of course, I'm not at all a tolerant person...

The problem is that the rules and regulations and testing is so screwed up that until it is fixed any new rules are just band aids