Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I don't want part in any society that teaches kids to shoot guns and hunt. That's my qualm with using "we."

it's the beauty of living here. everyone has rights, and everyone has the choice of whether or not to exercise those rights. but just because i choose to, or not to, i won't criticize anyone else for choosing differently. it'd be nice if everyone felt that way.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

it's the beauty of living here. everyone has rights, and everyone has the choice of whether or not to exercise those rights. but just because i choose to, or not to, i won't criticize anyone else for choosing differently. it'd be nice if everyone felt that way.

I usually agree, but hunting for the sake of hunting is, to me, one of the most despicable "activities" -- if you can call it that -- one can possibly participate in.

It's not as if it's just some alternate interest I don't understand. I don't understand plenty of stuff.. Opera, theater, painting, etc. But I'm not disgusted by any of it.

Hunters are disgusting and morally corrupt.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I usually agree, but hunting for the sake of hunting is, to me, one of the most despicable "activities" -- if you can call it that -- one can possibly participate in.

It's not as if it's just some alternate interest I don't understand. I don't understand plenty of stuff.. Opera, theater, painting, etc. But I'm not disgusted by any of it.

Hunters are disgusting and morally corrupt.

well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

well, i was going to get ticked off...but you said hunting for the sake of hunting, and i don't do that...

you can't buy venison in the store.

what i don't understand is:

if i go to the store, and buy meat someone else killed and eat it-that's ok.
but if i kill it, and then eat it, i'm disgusting and morally corrupt? i guess since someone else did the dirty work?

as for your comparison to opera, theatre etc...i was thinking more along the line of activities that some enjoy, while others don't and make moral judgements about. horse racing and gambling for instance. i can't recall anyone saying oh opera, i hate it--those singers are corrupt. but i have heard those arguments, and similar, regarding racing. oh those poor animals, how cruel. or the line a boy said to my daughter the other day when she mentioned barbaro had died. OH. horse racing. we're GOOD CHRISTIANS, we don't believe in gambling. so, he just pretty much summed her up as being a bad person, because she felt bad about barbaro.

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Ateam, I think you got the wrong guy there, we are on the same side here!
I freely admit that I don't understand hunting for sport...I mean, I get that you take your phallic symbol (oops, I mean big gun) and walk through the woods stalking poor innocent and defenseless creatures to blow up in some orgasmic ritual but I don't get it!

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Eh, it was back towards the beginning, I know you're on my side.



Yes, I meant sport hunting. I have no problem with hunting for food.

Ateam,
I'm ok with what you said about "hunting for food".
It might seem strange to some, but I save feathers from the birds I bring home and use them to tie trout flies. I also use deer hair in some of my bass and salt water patterns.
And, shocking as it may seem, I get on my knees and give thanks over every critter that I take home to eat, before I take it out of the woods or fields.
I also say "grace" before I eat it.
I grew up in a family that hunted and fished, and I've done both all my life.
Those folks that don't have a background in either hunting or fishing see something that, to me, it isn't.
What it is, is real. And it connects me to something that many don't get the opportunity to connect with.
Also, not all hunters or fishermen think as I do, like the kids "hunting" horses in a strip mine.
I don't think that their actions should give the rest of us a "bad name".
DTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Huh?! If you eat the meat, then it's not hunting for the sake of hunting..

You're morally corrupt if you kill something for sport.

You totally missed every point I made. What else is new..

I brought up opera and theater and the like because I felt like Somer was saying that I was dissing hunting just because I didn't understand it. I said I don't understand opera or theater, but I don't attack it. Hunting is different, because it's morally disgusting.

i didn't miss every point you made. you mentioned sport hunting. then you said just hunting was morally corrupt and disgusting. did you mean sport hunting again, or just hunting? i assumed, since you said 'hunting' and not 'sport hunting' that you had us all lumped in there together. my apologies if i got it wrong.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

On this issue we think almost scarily the same. I have never understood hunting for the sake of hunting as it is killing. You can disguise it as whatever you like but it is killing. I'll give you hunting if you are going to eat the meat, but just for kicks, sorry you are killing for the sake of killing. Remind me to not piss you off. I also don't get Opera, theatre, painting and etc but that is a whole other arguement.

Yep, count me in here too! I went hunting a couple times in WVa with my first wife's family...never shot anything, never wanted to...just figured I'd go with them and see what the attraction was. Ended up behind trees taking turns shooting at each other...did I mention we took several bottles of Southern Comfort along? Never got the thrill of hunting animals...after I got back from Nam, I realized that what I had been called upon to do for real was what these guys were role playing...not the same though, Charlie shot back, deers don't. As I've said (along with others here), if someone needs to hunt for food, I'm ok with that...but the rest???Why????

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Exactly. Not exactly sport when you have a weapon and the animals don't.

dahoss, the deer win far more battles then they don't. trust me on that one.