Turfway

[The Bid]

Cannon, you are way too intelligent to be training racehorses. You could be making a lot of money in an office somewhere


Lets wait and see what the wind gets up to tomorrow, then we can revisit the decision to cancel racing through the weekend


How about Oaklawn cancel, they are probably sick. Trained today, track is fine, and they canelled through the weekend, brutal.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Cannon, you are way too intelligent to be training racehorses. You could be making a lot of money in an office somewhere

Just the fact that I subject myself to the torture that is training horses shows that my intellegence levels may be a mirage.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

How about Oaklawn cancel, they are probably sick. Trained today, track is fine, and they canelled through the weekend, brutal.

I remember a few years ago when Tampa postponed one of its bigger turf stakes for fillies from Sat to Tuesday based on a weather report of serious rain. Never rained a drop but they wound up smelling like a rose because they rescheduled it for a Tuesday and they were able to play up the fact that all the top jocks came to ride the stake on the Dark day, got on all the local newspapers and tv

[The Bid]

Did you notice the kickback tonight Cannon?

I saw multiple horses pull themselves out of spots due to the kickback. Seasoned horses, not first timers who have never eaten any dirt, horses that normally sit that trip. This is the first time in a while Ive really noticed heavy kickback.

Jim, the dirt track they had was the worst dirt track in the world , how could anything be worse?

For the record 3 were vanned off tonight

Grand Sand
Eddie Kennely piece
One in the fourth.......... Probably because they were too cold

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

Did you notice the kickback tonight Cannon?

I saw multiple horses pull themselves out of spots due to the kickback. Seasoned horses, not first timers who have never eaten any dirt, horses that normally sit that trip. This is the first time in a while Ive really noticed heavy kickback.

Jim, the dirt track they had was the worst dirt track in the world probably, how could it be any worse?

For the record 3 were vanned off tonight

Watch the kick back on a sloppy track.

There is no worse place in the world for kickback than the Meadowlands. Horses get more eye injuries there than anywhere, not to mention what happens to the jocks.

Listen, Polytrack is not perfect and its designers may have sold it a bit strong but as we have said many times it is better than the alternative at Turfway. As far as in California, though I dont race there much the horseman were begging for a change which says something about what is going on there. Arlington simply had to do something or get buried if they had another bad run again this year.
It like I said in my rant about the Breeders Cup, I just am tired of fighting for things that I can not change. I will simply adjust my way of doing things and move on.

[The Bid]

The kickback tonight was brutal. Watch the Broganville race on race replays, the horse was hit in the head with a piece of frozen poly that was bigger than a meteor. The track was frozen and balling up this morning during training, and tonight it was worse.

I dont like poly Cannon, I like a good dirt surface. There was a rush to install this **** as soon as Keeneland started making money on it.

As a trainer would you rather have a good conventional dirt surface like the Oklahoma track, or Poly

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

The kickback tonight was brutal. Watch the Broganville race on race replays, the horse was hit in the head with a piece of frozen poly that was bigger than a meteor. The track was frozen and balling up this morning during training, and tonight it was worse.

I dont like poly Cannon, I like a good dirt surface. There was a rush to install this **** all over as soon as Keeneland started making money on it.

I understand but you have to move on, dude. You are taking this all way too hard.

[The Bid]

I cant Cannon, too much history in the game to make changes this drastic.

Ill fight the fight until its down everywhere, then Ill move to Argentina.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by The Bid

As a trainer would you rather have a good conventional dirt surface like the Oklahoma track, or Poly

Oklahoma aint what it used to be. Personally I have found that almost all of the tracks that I train at have moved in the wrong direction. Tampa is way harder than it used to be, used to be the best surface to train on but there were just mostly **** horses there so no one knew. Churchill added too much clay and now is awful when wet. Pre poly Keeneland was like training on a minefield. Belmont is bad when it rains. Saratoga main track has way too many breakdowns on it for me, especially considering the quality of horses there (but it may be against the law in the Peoples Republic of NY to say anything negative about Saratoga), Gulfstream sucks but you cant say that or frank gets mad, never trained at Palm Meadows, Hialeah was always good but gone noe, Fair Grounds is pretty good but not as good as it was (but they get the Katrina pass for right now) complaining about the surfaces at Monmouth is required in order to get a license in NJ, Delaware has a horrible reputation

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Oklahoma aint what it used to be. Personally I have found that almost all of the tracks that I train at have moved in the wrong direction. Tampa is way harder than it used to be, used to be the best surface to train on but there were just mostly **** horses there so no one knew. Churchill added too much clay and now is awful when wet. Pre poly Keeneland was like training on a minefield. Belmont is bad when it rains. Saratoga main track has way too many breakdowns on it for me, especially considering the quality of horses there (but it may be against the law in the Peoples Republic of NY to say anything negative about Saratoga), Gulfstream sucks but you cant say that or frank gets mad, never trained at Palm Meadows, Hialeah was always good but gone noe, Fair Grounds is pretty good but not as good as it was (but they get the Katrina pass for right now) complaining about the surfaces at Monmouth is required in order to get a license in NJ, Delaware has a horrible reputation

and not just for track surface from what I understand.

[The Bid]

So you would implement poly everywhere Cannon?

haha, 20 race card including camels. They already do the wiener dogs, thats a big hit at los al

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I remember a few years ago when Tampa postponed one of its bigger turf stakes for fillies from Sat to Tuesday based on a weather report of serious rain. Never rained a drop but they wound up smelling like a rose because they rescheduled it for a Tuesday and they were able to play up the fact that all the top jocks came to ride the stake on the Dark day, got on all the local newspapers and tv

Yeah and us 9-5 locals were hot about that becuase we missed seeing a nice race.

We have always bitched that their best cards top to bottom are on Tuesday, good business decision for them, but the fans that can only be on track Sat-Sun lose out....again.