Appropriate punishment for animal cruelty

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

They are hillbilly country kids. Probably hunt all the time, probably disconnected with all animals, including horses.

Restitution, Community service, and some professional help is what should happen.

I like the sound of the death penalty better.

[Gander]

Me too, I doubt anyone would really miss them.

[smuthg]

Can we geld them first?

At some point they will rot in Hell.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

At some point they will rot in Hell.

Well, I don't believe in hell but I do believe we all "pay" for everything we do (good or bad)...and since I don't believe in the death penaltyy, I concur with The Bid.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Bold Reasoning

At some point they will rot in Hell.

Agreed. I guess that will have to be good enough.

[skippy3481]

They are going to rot in hell based on what... I know of very few religions that throw you straight to hell for killing an animal. And are we really debating whether to kill these two kids for killing a couple of horses. Was it wrong... of course its wrong and very grotesque, but that doesn't me we should strap them to the chair and fry them. What else should we kill people for?

Definitely some type of pyschological exam and treatment is needed.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

They are going to rot in hell based on what... I know of very few religions that throw you straight to hell for killing an animal. And are we really debating whether to kill these two kids for killing a couple of horses. Was it wrong... of course its wrong and very grotesque, but that doesn't me we should strap them to the chair and fry them. What else should we kill people for?

Definitely some type of pyschological exam and treatment is needed.

LOL Chad... I was being facetious in regards to killing them, but they definitely need (and deserve) a harsher punishment than what some are proposing. IMO, they deserve to rot in hell for being heartless. The kind of person that would do that is a vicious person indeed.

[timmgirvan]

Shock treaments work for me! Whoever said these kind of people graduate to more violence and killing is right.....nip it in the bud!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

I like the sound of the death penalty better.

Nobody loves animals, especially horses, more than I do...and nobody gets angrier than I do when folks abuse/torture/kill any animal needlessly but calls for prison rape, bestiality and death are part of society's problem not part of a solution...yes, sociopathic behavior is often preceeded by animal abuse but to generalize that every young person who kills an animal will become a serial killer is absurd. These appear to be semi-intelligent young folks who committed a horrible, indefensible act of cruelty...they deserve punishment but they also need to learn to respect life...all life. We teach kids at an early age to shoot guns and to hunt...part of the macho bonding experience (and yes, even girls play today), it isn't surprising that once a young person loses respect for life that he/she is then able to rationalize such behavior! Punish these kids in a constructive manner...community service, therapy along with perhaps some incarceration...it is the role of society to teach our children, not brutalize and kill them!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Nobody loves animals, especially horses, more than I do...and nobody gets angrier than I do when folks abuse/torture/kill any animal needlessly but calls for prison rape, bestiality and death are part of society's problem not part of a solution...yes, sociopathic behavior is often preceeded by animal abuse but to generalize that every young person who kills an animal will become a serial killer is absurd. These appear to be semi-intelligent young folks who committed a horrible, indefensible act of cruelty...they deserve punishment but they also need to learn to respect life...all life. We teach kids at an early age to shoot guns and to hunt...part of the macho bonding experience (and yes, even girls play today), it isn't surprising that once a young person loses respect for life that he/she is then able to rationalize such behavior! Punish these kids in a constructive manner...community service, therapy along with perhaps some incarceration...it is the role of society to teach our children, not brutalize and kill them!

John,

I respectfully disagree. I have been taught from a young age about hunting and I have to tell you, there is a HUGE difference between hunting an animal and killing it humanely and brutally murdering a horse for "fun." In fact, I have YET to meet a hunter that enjoys watching an animal suffer. Perhaps I'm lucky that I haven't? These kids will most likely never understand the difference and therefore, IMO, they should have the strictest of penalties bestowed upon them.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Nobody loves animals, especially horses, more than I do...and nobody gets angrier than I do when folks abuse/torture/kill any animal needlessly but calls for prison rape, bestiality and death are part of society's problem not part of a solution...yes, sociopathic behavior is often preceeded by animal abuse but to generalize that every young person who kills an animal will become a serial killer is absurd. These appear to be semi-intelligent young folks who committed a horrible, indefensible act of cruelty...they deserve punishment but they also need to learn to respect life...all life. We teach kids at an early age to shoot guns and to hunt...part of the macho bonding experience (and yes, even girls play today), it isn't surprising that once a young person loses respect for life that he/she is then able to rationalize such behavior! Punish these kids in a constructive manner...community service, therapy along with perhaps some incarceration...it is the role of society to teach our children, not brutalize and kill them!

i'm with cajun on this one john. no way does taking a child hunting or fishing parlay into no respect for life, or for abusing animals.
i've taken in a goodly amount of ditched animals, dogs and cats. believe me, i have huge respect for life. as do my children and my husband.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig188

i'm with cajun on this one john. no way does taking a child hunting or fishing parlay into no respect for life, or for abusing animals.
i've taken in a goodly amount of ditched animals, dogs and cats. believe me, i have huge respect for life. as do my children and my husband.

Well...we will disagree on this point then. The problem isn't that everyone will evolve in the same way but that some will. That's why I take offense when folks use words such as "every" and "all".

[The Bid]

I think you are wrong about hunting, it causes a basic disconnect with animals, can cause a lack of compassion towards people. Everyones brain works differently, those kids, thinking like kids think, saw those horses the same way a game hunter would see a deer. Just a thrill kill, unfortunately some people get a thrill out of killing animals. In this case unfortunately the kids are buffoons

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think you are wrong about hunting, it causes a basic disconnect with animals, can cause a lack of compassion towards people. Everyones brain works differently, those kids, thinking like kids think, saw those horses the same way a game hunter would see a deer. Just a thrill kill, unfortunately some people get a thrill out of killing animals. In this case unfortunately the kids are buffoons

well, i can't speak for all hunters, just for myself, my husband and some others i know.
i know in our case it's not 'thrill killing' at all-altho for some it is. there are those who go out and kill a deer, cut off its antlers and leave the rest to rot. i have absolutely no respect for them at all.
we hunt for meat-no part gets wasted, i haven't shot a buck in years. and i don't shoot anything i don't eat. some kill anything that comes by. not me. we also fish-don't do that for thrills either, altho it can be thrilling....we eat everything we bring back from the river as well.

[skippy3481]

haha somer just normally we are in entirely diffrent ends of every issue, shows that everyone has something in common with every one else.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by skippy3481

haha somer just normally we are in entirely diffrent ends of every issue, shows that everyone has something in common with every one else.

Absolutely...actually we all have more in common than different, it's just that the differences are usually the impetus for discussion/debate!

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by The Bid

I think you are wrong about hunting, it causes a basic disconnect with animals, can cause a lack of compassion towards people. Everyones brain works differently, those kids, thinking like kids think, saw those horses the same way a game hunter would see a deer. Just a thrill kill, unfortunately some people get a thrill out of killing animals. In this case unfortunately the kids are buffoons

I honestly have never met a hunter who gets a thrill out of watching animals suffer. The only kinds of hunters I've ever been around enjoy hunting for the sport, enjoy the time spent outside and know that without hunting, deer etc. would be over populated and starve to death. I know a guy who has 30 walker coonhounds and he loves each one of them to death... they go hunting with him and he treats them like his children. Does that mean that he was taught to be a cold blooded killer because he hunts? I don't think so.

What these teens did was cold blooded, guys... no doubt about it. They need a harsher punishment than community service, sorry but they do.

[skippy3481]

what do you recommend cajun?

[Danzig]

i know a lot of places, animal cruelty is still a misdemeanor-and it should not be. it should be handled like many other crimes, with different 'classes' depending on severity. much like stealing $500 worth of stuff is a class c, but stealing tens of millions is a class a-or however it's set up.

time in jail-maybe, depending on the severity of the crime. community service would be good, as would getting these kids some education! obviously for some reason they weren't taught about common decency.