kip devile 9/2 vs. showing up 6/1

[whorstman]

Originally Posted by Hoisttheflag

That Love of Money was just awful. Use him in a few bets and he just packed it in.

I dunno much, but speed @ Churchill doesn't work, period. I have been out there almost a dozen times this meet and can't count the times overall. Don't think I would use both hands the number of times I've counted a horse on the lead over a mile that wired em.

[Gander]

And Kazoo was a dismal third the other day at Monmouth behind Joey P and the mighty Slam Bammy! Ouch! Thats a race you would have thought he'd do much better. What happened to his early speed?

[Gander]

It wasnt the track bias, Love of Money was just plain awful. No excuses, needs to be dropped to a grade 3 next time.

Originally Posted by Gander

It wasnt the track bias, Love of Money was just plain awful. No excuses, needs to be dropped to a grade 3 next time.

Tim I'm sure someone will pass your thoughts on to the trainer who trained the HOY last year. LOL!!!
He needs a cut back in distance more than he needs anything else.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Tim I'm sure someone will pass your thoughts on to the trainer who trained the HOY last year. LOL!!!
He needs a cut back in distance more than he needs anything else.

I don't think his race was terrible, but a big grade 1 and the classic distance might be a little over his head.

Originally Posted by Exceller

I don't think his race was terrible, but a big grade 1 and the classic distance might be a little over his head.

He only ever carried that speed two turns one time and that really was a fluke. He shipped to Philly Park on a day when the track was scraped to the bone, fast and speed favoring and he got real loose agaisnt some horses who werent very good. That was the Penn derby. Hes a very fast horse but two turns against top company is not his game. The race came up weak and he had been training good so he took a shot. The way Gander talks you would think he was 3-5 and breaking from the rail rather than a horse with a so so shot who drew the 10 hole in a two turn race.
The only way to get lucky and steal a race you aren't maybe the best in, is to take a shot. Kinda Like MOquette did with Seek Gold, or D wayne did one year in the Belmont with Commendable. Some guys only run their horses is soft spots to pad their % and never take a crack. They hurt their owners by doing this, picking out only soft spots and never giving the owners a chance to cash out and get lucky. Real good trainers do not pick out exclusively soft spots so they can get a win and pad the % totals.

[Exceller]

Originally Posted by oracle80

He only ever carried that speed two turns one time and that really was a fluke. He shipped to Philly Park on a day when the track was scraped to the bone, fast and speed favoring and he got real loose agaisnt some horses who werent very good. That was the Penn derby. Hes a very fast horse but two turns against top company is not his game. The race came up weak and he had been training good so he took a shot. The way Gander talks you would think he was 3-5 and breaking from the rail rather than a horse with a so so shot who drew the 10 hole in a two turn race.
The only way to get lucky and steal a race you aren't maybe the best in, is to take a shot. Kinda Like MOquette did with Seek Gold, or D wayne did one year in the Belmont with Commendable. Some guys only run their horses is soft spots to pad their % and never take a crack. They hurt their owners by doing this, picking out only soft spots and never giving the owners a chance to cash out and get lucky. Real good trainers do not pick out exclusively soft spots so they can get a win and pad the % totals.

I dont know about Dutrow. Always thought he gets to play by different rules in NY then the does anywhere else. KY is not NY.

[Gander]

I dont know what difference the odds make in dismissing an out of the money performance in a race where Dutrow was talking the horse up like he couldnt lose. "If my horse runs his race he will be very tough to beat" is what he said before the race. I thought he made a pretty easy lead for a horse of his ability and expected a better finish out of him thats all.

Not faulting Dutrow at all for trying this grade 1, I didnt think it came up all that particularly tough either. To be honest, I thought it was a real good chance for him to win a grade 1.