"It's Groundhog Day.. again.."

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I actually don't believe in it. I think the earth has warmed and cooled at different rates over the past 1000 years. Right now we may be warming a bit, but it could go the other direction quite easily. I think human responsibility for the current warming might be 5%. Not much at all.

saying you don't believe in it is like saying you don't believe in gravity or the existence of other planets. it isn't something you believe in or not.....it is something you understand or don't understand.
natural sources of CO2 occur within the carbon cycle where billions of tons of atmospheric CO2 are removed from the atmosphere by oceans and growing plants, also known as ‘sinks,’ and are emitted back into the atmosphere annually through natural processes also known as ‘sources.’ when in balance, the total carbon dioxide emissions and removals from the entire carbon cycle are roughly equal.
since the 1700’s, human activities, such as the burning of oil, coal and gas, and deforestation, have increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. in 2005, global atmospheric concentrations of CO2 were 35% higher than they were before the Industrial Revolution.
so just out of curiosity what are you basing your 5% figure on?

anyway.......great movie.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by avance2000

saying you don't believe in it is like saying you don't believe in gravity or the existence of other planets. it isn't something you believe in or not.....it is something you understand or don't understand.
natural sources of CO2 occur within the carbon cycle where billions of tons of atmospheric CO2 are removed from the atmosphere by oceans and growing plants, also known as ‘sinks,’ and are emitted back into the atmosphere annually through natural processes also known as ‘sources.’ when in balance, the total carbon dioxide emissions and removals from the entire carbon cycle are roughly equal.
since the 1700’s, human activities, such as the burning of oil, coal and gas, and deforestation, have increased CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere. in 2005, global atmospheric concentrations of CO2 were 35% higher than they were before the Industrial Revolution.
so just out of curiosity what are you basing your 5% figure on?

anyway.......great movie.

Some articles I've read from non-believers who think we overestimate the ability of humans to impact warming....They cited natural events in the past which have made CO2 levels go up and down and how human impact has been less than that. Will try and find some links but this is from a long time ago.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Some articles I've read from non-believers who think we overestimate the ability of humans to impact warming....They cited natural events in the past which have made CO2 levels go up and down and how human impact has been less than that. Will try and find some links but this is from a long time ago.

yes but there is no real debate among atmospheric scientists.
do you dispute that humans deposit a lot of CO2 into the air?
or do you dispute that high CO2 levels are a cause of global warming?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by avance2000

yes but there is no real debate among atmospheric scientists.
do you dispute that humans deposit a lot of CO2 into the air?
or do you dispute that high CO2 levels are a cause of global warming?

I don't dispute the CO2 being released. I think the impact is exaggerated....Don't forget, during a cold stretch in the 70's, the prevailing wisdom was we were headed towards another ice age---many scientists believed that---and now we are going to be baking into oblivion. I don't see it.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

I don't dispute the CO2 being released. I think the impact is exaggerated....Don't forget, during a cold stretch in the 70's, the prevailing wisdom was we were headed towards another ice age---many scientists believed that---and now we are going to be baking into oblivion. I don't see it.

so just to be clear....your argument is that although there is basically total agreement among all atmospheric scientists, we are probably wrong becauase......why exactly?
we have made their case for global warming.....but the only thing i hear doubters like you argue is basically that all science is hogwash. we present a factually based and logical argument, and you come back with a completely unsubstantiated claim of 5%. based on what?

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by avance2000

so just to be clear....your argument is that although there is basically total agreement among all atmospheric scientists, we are probably wrong becauase......why exactly?
we have made their case for global warming.....but the only thing i hear doubters like you argue is basically that all science is hogwash. we present a factually based and logical argument, and you come back with a completely unsubstantiated claim of 5%. based on what?

Based on articles I've read....Mind you, Dr. Gray, the same Dr. Gray who is the hurricane forecaster for the enitre United States doesn't believe in the impact of humans on Global Warming either. And all he does is study it and other atmospheric conditions since the 60's.

[TitanSooner]

Don't Drive Angry

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Some articles I've read from non-believers who think we overestimate the ability of humans to impact warming....They cited natural events in the past which have made CO2 levels go up and down and how human impact has been less than that. Will try and find some links but this is from a long time ago.

Randall, I don't think you will find an article written by any leading scientist that questions the seriousness of global warming. You may find some articles by fringe people, or by "scientists" on a par with the tobacco company "scientists".

--Dunbar

[randallscott35]

Again, I'm a Nader voter so obviously what I'm saying is sacreligious but we could be warming and the opposite affect could take place. The Atlantic conveyor gets disrupted and suddenly its too cold for millions of people. Again, eveything comes back to equilibrium.

[GenuineRisk]

Well, coincidentally, the NYTimes cover story is on the latest report:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/sc...2vyMpuC0PVkpKw

Though frankly, I think it's too late. So long to polar bears, hello to yearly Katrinas and Wyoming beaches.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, coincidentally, the NYTimes cover story is on the latest report:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/sc...2vyMpuC0PVkpKw

Though frankly, I think it's too late. So long to polar bears, hello to yearly Katrinas and Wyoming beaches.

as the article says....."over 90% confident." but some people choose not to believe in it. why? nobody knows. including them.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by avance2000

as the article says....."over 90% confident." but some people choose not to believe in it. why? nobody knows. including them.

Let's not get arrogant please. I don't disagree with the warming, I disagree with the end game. Big difference....Agree to disagree....We'll see what happens in 25 years.

[avance2000]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Let's not get arrogant please. I don't disagree with the warming, I disagree with the end game. Big difference....Agree to disagree....We'll see what happens in 25 years.

i can't help getting arrogant. i am a scientist. that is just the kind of people we are.

[randallscott35]

ENJOY.

http://www.denverpost.com/harsanyi/ci_3899807

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Well, coincidentally, the NYTimes cover story is on the latest report:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/02/sc...2vyMpuC0PVkpKw

Though frankly, I think it's too late. So long to polar bears, hello to yearly Katrinas and Wyoming beaches.

I knew at one point this thread was about Global Warming....


http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Global_2...0..._small.jpg

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

I knew at one point this thread was about Global Warming....


http://www.jonco48.com/blog/Global_2...0..._small.jpg

LOL I got that email a few months back but never had a good spot for it...well done

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Some articles I've read from non-believers who think we overestimate the ability of humans to impact warming....They cited natural events in the past which have made CO2 levels go up and down and how human impact has been less than that. Will try and find some links but this is from a long time ago.

We have in fact had ice ages end multiple times long before the industrial revolution so your statement that the earth has warmed and cooled many, many times before the industrial revolution is correct. The argument that how much humans are contributing to the current warming is pretty much unsolvable anad unfortunately will just be turned into another politcal issue. And I do remember well the 70s after the multiple frigid winters in the eastern half of the nation that the talk was indeed we were headed toward another ice age perhaps. Because there are occurrences of CO2 levels going up in the past, makes it really tough to determine now what really is going on.

[Danzig]

heard some blurbs from a guy who has been a climatologist in canada for decades, out of university of winnipeg. he says global warming as it's 'taught' now is incorrect, that it isn't from humans and co2 emissions....and yeah, i remember the ice age talk from 30 years ago. and now the u.n. report has come out saying whatever humans do, or don't do, that global warming will continue.

[Downthestretch55]

I couldn't possibly make this up.
Here is the "real cause" of global warming, in his own words.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/10/dino-flatulence/

btw...now adays...cattle fluffies.

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

I couldn't possibly make this up.
Here is the "real cause" of global warming, in his own words.
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/10/dino-flatulence/

btw...now adays...cattle fluffies.

good lord...that's scary...