What if the Jockey Club allowed AI?

cmorioles · #1 01-31-2007, 10:01 AM

What does artificial intelligence have to do with breeding. With some of these matings, AI surely is being used already.

lemondropkid1 · #2 01-31-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

What does artificial intelligence have to do with breeding. With some of these matings, AI surely is being used already.

LOL, that's funny. My boyfriend trains horses and went to an ag college, so he's always referring to it as AI. The first time he said it, that movie with Haley Joel Osment popped into my head.

sumitas · #3 01-31-2007, 10:10 AM

It would make it more affordable for breeders to mate to their preferred stallion. If you are in NY and there is a stallion in La...now you don't mate because of the travel...With AI you could.

cmorioles · #4 01-31-2007, 10:24 AM

I wouldn't say never. It is obviously already done with s-breds. If the Arabs start to demand a higher number of horses from a certain stallion...

paisjpq · #5 01-31-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

I wouldn't say never. It is obviously already done with s-breds. If the Arabs start to demand a higher number of horses from a certain stallion...

perhaps I should have said never sanctioned and endorsed...as the state breds that do it shouldn't be eligible for registration...

slotdirt · #6 01-31-2007, 10:40 AM

Quarterhorses are also able to be bred by artificial means.

CapperZeke · #7 01-31-2007, 10:41 AM

I had no idea Allen Iverson even liked horses.

Cajungator26 · #8 01-31-2007, 10:46 AM

It would have been very tough (if not nearly impossible) for them to obtain semen from Barbaro. It requires this...

I worked on a Trahehner farm one summer, breeding stallions to one of those things, and let me tell you, it's just as tough on a stallion's hind legs. They get really into it. LOL

LARHAGE · #9 01-31-2007, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sumitas

It would make it more affordable for breeders to mate to their preferred stallion. If you are in NY and there is a stallion in La...now you don't mate because of the travel...With AI you could.

I agree with this 100%. I have been using A.I. with my Arabians for years, and not everyone is flooding the airports for just the most popular stallions, of anything this allows a lot of different stallions to be utilized including overseas. How nice would it be to have had a lot of Saddlers Wells, Montjeu's etc... instead of a Storm Cat in every stall. The safety of stallion, mare and foal is also a HUGE advantage. I would never send my newborn foals on a van out od state to a strange farm, no way. I now have the luxury of my mare and her foal staying in the safety and comfort of their own home. The stallions don't have to be bred 3 times a day, one collection can service up to 10 mares. I have never understood the huge resistance from the Thoroughbred Breeders, unless they make a killing on mare care, especially with foals at their side. They always bring up how it ruined the Harness Horse Industry because they used the same stallion, when in reality, there isn't much to choose from to begin with. It's a no-brainer to me. I have enjoyed the luxury of breeding by choice, not location.

sumitas · #10 01-31-2007, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LARHAGE

I agree with this 100%. I have been using A.I. with my Arabians for years, and not everyone is flooding the airports for just the most popular stallions, of anything this allows a lot of different stallions to be utilized including overseas. How nice would it be to have had a lot of Saddlers Wells, Montjeu's etc... instead of a Storm Cat in every stall. The safety of stallion, mare and foal is also a HUGE advantage. I would never send my newborn foals on a van out od state to a strange farm, no way. I now have the luxury of my mare and her foal staying in the safety and comfort of their own home. The stallions don't have to be bred 3 times a day, one collection can service up to 10 mares. I have never understood the huge resistance from the Thoroughbred Breeders, unless they make a killing on mare care, especially with foals at their side. They always bring up how it ruined the Harness Horse Industry because they used the same stallion, when in reality, there isn't much to choose from to begin with. It's a no-brainer to me. I have enjoyed the luxury of breeding by choice, not location.

Great observation. And many would desire a sturdy stallion from Germany as well. As an aside, that's one of the great attributes of Raffie's Majesty. His broodmare sire is the great German Surumu and with the right mare he's a helluva mating as you can see by his progeny.

Cannon Shell · #11 01-31-2007, 01:16 PM

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

Cajungator26 · #12 01-31-2007, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

Quarter horses stem from thoroughbreds... LOL

LARHAGE · #13 01-31-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

It isn't about the money, you'd still be paying for the advertised stud fee, and in actuality it isn't cheap to have your mare impregnated at home by the Vet. It requires stringent record keeping and Vet visits. The advantage is simply the health and welfare of the mare and foal is the first priority, and you can choose a stallion from another Country if you desire. If I could afford the stud fee by A.I., I could afford it by shipping. I simply don't want my newborn foals stressed out at that young age with a van ride and stabling in a new atmosphere. It's just ripe for sickness.

I also don't agree with your assessment of Quarter Horses, while I don't own any, the fact is they are a pure breed, same as a Thoroughbred. They both needed my Arabians blood to be created.

paisjpq · #14 01-31-2007, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The biggest problem in the thoroughbred breed is that too few horses are being culled from the herd. I'm sure a few of you will flame me for saying this but if you cant afford to ship your mare to the stallion that you want to breed to then you probably do not have enough money to be breeding quality horses. AI has hurt the standardbred business for all but a select few breeders. It has virtually eliminated the sport in the state of KY. The vast majority of quarter horses are not bred for racing and they are a mutt breed, not a pure breed.

I couldn't agree more ...
even the 'responsible' breeders are guilty of breeding fillies that should just go away and be a child's hunter or something...

an example...
a well bred filly turns up with a HORRIBLE throat at the yearling sale...the owners knew on the farm that her throat was bad and that she was a 'roarer' when she exercised but they took their chances @ auction...
her mother was a really good runner who has not thrown more than a maiden winner in 10 or so foals...her daddy was a first crop stud (who has gotten some big runners this season)...
as expected, that filly RNA'd...and knowing that she wasn't going to be able to breathe they decided not to try to train he for racing...
so what did they do? Well, she's due to foal in april...she will be 3 yrs and 1 month old when she becomes a mommy....

she should have been culled....

paisjpq · #15 01-31-2007, 10:10 AM

the short answer is that there isn't much point debating the merits of AI because it will NEVER happen with the thoroughbred breed...not because of any great concern for the animal but because it would devestate the entire industry which relys on the boarding of mares and foals...they wield the most power and they will not let it happen.