Steve Nash

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Absolutely he is better than Lebron at this point. Lebron is still young and a much better athlete. But at this point Bird was a better, shooter, passer, and rebounder. And more important than anything else, Bird made everyone on the team better. Lebron does a pretty good job at that, better than Kobe up to this point.

Bird had a wonderful feel for the game. He knew when to take his time, pounce, he is the most instinctive player I have ever seen.

also league MVP for 3 straight years...85, 86, 87.

Pat, wouldn't you agree that the biggest thing that made him one of the greats was just his total court awareness and vision?

Originally Posted by T3B

also league MVP for 3 straight years...85, 86, 87.

Pat, wouldn't you agree that the biggest thing that made him one of the greats was just his total court awareness and vision?

Absolutely. And he just knew the game. He could not even jump that well but would outrebound guys because he knew exactly how to body them up. He got more out of that body than anyone would think possible. A total gym rat.

His hands were also amazing Kev. He is the guy you would want to start a TEAM with. He is the best TEAM player of all time imo. Michael learned that from him. Michael would score all these points early in his career and not win big games which he very badly wanted to do. Bird showed him the way in early confrontations. And then Michael with the right people around him, Pippen, especially, became THE total package.

Oh yes I must add I hated Bird with a passion. One of the biggest trash-talkers of all time.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Absolutely. And he just knew the game. He could not even jump that well but would outrebound guys because he knew exactly how to body them up. He got more out of that body than anyone would think possible. A total gym rat.

His hands were also amazing Kev. He is the guy you would want to start a TEAM with. He is the best TEAM player of all time imo. Michael learned that from him. Michael would score all these points early in his career and not win big games which he very badly wanted to do. Bird showed him the way in early confrontations. And then Michael with the right people around him, Pippen, especially, became THE total package.

He just simply outworked, outplayed and outsmarted other players.

Pat, do you remember the interview the did with Xavier (X-Man) McDaniel? They were talking about Larry and the end of game situations. X said something along the lines of...

....Larry knew he was getting the ball, you knew Larry was getting the ball. Larry would come tell you he was getting the ball, he would tell you where he was gonna shoot it from and then he would tell you that he was gonna bury the shot in your face....and after he made the shot, all you could do was walk off the court and shake your head.


LB was never afraid to talk trash, but no one backed it up like he did.

Originally Posted by T3B

He just simply outworked, outplayed and outsmarted other players.

Pat, do you remember the interview the did with Xavier (X-Man) McDaniel? They were talking about Larry and the end of game situations. X said something along the lines of...

....Larry knew he was getting the ball, you knew Larry was getting the ball. Larry would come tell you he was getting the ball, he would tell you where he was gonna shoot it from and then he would tell you that he was gonna bury the shot in your face....and after he made the shot, all you could do was walk off the court and shake your head.


LB was never afraid to talk trash, but no one backed it up like he did.

Kev there is more than the interview. They have the microphone down on the court and a camera on Bird and McDaniel when Bird was cussing him and vice versa. Bird said I am going to shoot a bleepin 3 on you from right here you bleep. And McDaniel bleepity bleeped back. and bird took the inbounds pass and shot the 3 right where he had pointed and made it. And the thing is Bird just ran off after that. He would cuss you during the game, but after he abused somebody, he would just walk away. He was also famous for spitting. Bird spit on fans in San Antonio and got fined. He was an a-hole.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Kev there is more than the interview. They have the microphone down on the court and a camera on Bird and McDaniel when Bird was cussing him and vice versa. Bird said I am going to shoot a bleepin 3 on you from right here you bleep. And McDaniel bleepity bleeped back. and bird took the inbounds pass and shot the 3 right where he had pointed and made it. And the thing is Bird just ran off after that. He would cuss you during the game, but after he abused somebody, he would just walk away. He was also famous for spitting. Bird spit on fans in San Antonio and got fined. He was an a-hole.

how many of his peers had no respect for him? maybe 1 or 2

Originally Posted by T3B

how many of his peers had no respect for him? maybe 1 or 2

As a basketball player I have ultimate respect. Jordan, and Magic Johnson also claim he was the best team player of all time.

But have you seen what the SOB has done with his daughter? Not a family man by any means and just not a nice guy. At least Michael took care of his offspring and cares about them.

So I loved his basketball prowess. But I despise him. I dont see how any man could just blow off his daughter like this guy. Hate to be judgemental, but thats why I like guys such as David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Their family comes first. And that may also be why they will never reach the level of guys like Bird.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

As a basketball player I have ultimate respect. Jordan, and Magic Johnson also claim he was the best team player of all time.

But have you seen what the SOB has done with his daughter? Not a family man by any means and just not a nice guy. At least Michael took care of his offspring and cares about them.

So I loved his basketball prowess. But I despise him. I dont see how any man could just blow off his daughter like this guy. Hate to be judgemental, but thats why I like guys such as David Robinson and Tim Duncan. Their family comes first. And that may also be why they will never reach the level of guys like Bird.

I am not saying he is the best human being to walk the face of the earth. I know about his daughter Corrie, but as most people, am unaware of the full story involved.