Steve Nash

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Originally Posted by turdbucket67

all i know is that bird isn't even close to being in the top 20 players ever!!!! lets be honest, there are atleast 10 players playing today that would school bird on the court

TB, how old are you??

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Originally Posted by turdbucket67

22... i've seen him on espn classic all the time(its not the same, but i feel like i got a good idea of how good he is)

lebron has to be in the top 5... he's 21 and he averages 27 points 7boards and 6 assist in his career already... and its only going to get better..... ask wasington(in the playoffs) if lebron can take over a game

bro, I think the world of you, but unless you saw LB night in and night out, like myself and a few others on here, you really have NO idea of how good he really was. I can remember watch him play and players from the OTHER TEAM were giving each other high fives over the shots and plays that he would make. And please, understand another thing, Bird played in the NBA when it was still a TEAM game. The crap that they play in the NBA now is nothing near the game they played in the 80's. If Bird played today's version of the game and took the same selfish approach that too many of these players now take, he would have averaged 35-38 points a night with his eyes closed. But again, he played under a team concept and simply made other players around him so much better.

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Originally Posted by turdbucket67

do u think he is better then lebron???

Lebron (hopefully) has a long time left in his career to prove that he is one of the greats of all time.

I lost any respect I had for Lebron the night he walked off the court early in a loss. Incredibly selfish move that typifies todays NBA player.

I promise you that many people my age a older on this board will echo this sentiment, but there wasn't a harder worker on the court than LB. No one in the game gave 100% night in a night out like that guy.

If you want to see what a real basketball TEAM looked like, go back and watch some games from the 1986 Celtics....at your age, you would be amazed at the ball movement you will see from those guys. 6 and 7 passes AFTER half court before anyone even shot the ball. Now, you are lucky to see 2 passes before some wannabe is chucking up a shot. That team from 1986 could beat teams anyway they wanted to....slow it down and play a half court game, they could run if needed, they could play defense...you name, they did it.

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Don't forget the TrailBlazers champ team...they're a prime example of teamwork at its' best!

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as an interesting side note, bit of trivia...

Bill Hodges, who was Larry's coach at Indiana State now is living here in Roanoke teaching government at a local high school.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BOAwpMZKpk

from the 1:22-1:42 seconds of this video still gives me chill bumps. Got love Johnny Most doing the call.

Originally Posted by turdbucket67

do u think he is better then lebron???

Absolutely he is better than Lebron at this point. Lebron is still young and a much better athlete. But at this point Bird was a better, shooter, passer, and rebounder. And more important than anything else, Bird made everyone on the team better. Lebron does a pretty good job at that, better than Kobe up to this point.

Bird had a wonderful feel for the game. He knew when to take his time, pounce, he is the most instinctive player I have ever seen.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Absolutely he is better than Lebron at this point. Lebron is still young and a much better athlete. But at this point Bird was a better, shooter, passer, and rebounder. And more important than anything else, Bird made everyone on the team better. Lebron does a pretty good job at that, better than Kobe up to this point.

Bird had a wonderful feel for the game. He knew when to take his time, pounce, he is the most instinctive player I have ever seen.

also league MVP for 3 straight years...85, 86, 87.

Pat, wouldn't you agree that the biggest thing that made him one of the greats was just his total court awareness and vision?

Originally Posted by T3B

also league MVP for 3 straight years...85, 86, 87.

Pat, wouldn't you agree that the biggest thing that made him one of the greats was just his total court awareness and vision?

Absolutely. And he just knew the game. He could not even jump that well but would outrebound guys because he knew exactly how to body them up. He got more out of that body than anyone would think possible. A total gym rat.

His hands were also amazing Kev. He is the guy you would want to start a TEAM with. He is the best TEAM player of all time imo. Michael learned that from him. Michael would score all these points early in his career and not win big games which he very badly wanted to do. Bird showed him the way in early confrontations. And then Michael with the right people around him, Pippen, especially, became THE total package.

Oh yes I must add I hated Bird with a passion. One of the biggest trash-talkers of all time.

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Originally Posted by pgardn

Absolutely. And he just knew the game. He could not even jump that well but would outrebound guys because he knew exactly how to body them up. He got more out of that body than anyone would think possible. A total gym rat.

His hands were also amazing Kev. He is the guy you would want to start a TEAM with. He is the best TEAM player of all time imo. Michael learned that from him. Michael would score all these points early in his career and not win big games which he very badly wanted to do. Bird showed him the way in early confrontations. And then Michael with the right people around him, Pippen, especially, became THE total package.

He just simply outworked, outplayed and outsmarted other players.

Pat, do you remember the interview the did with Xavier (X-Man) McDaniel? They were talking about Larry and the end of game situations. X said something along the lines of...

....Larry knew he was getting the ball, you knew Larry was getting the ball. Larry would come tell you he was getting the ball, he would tell you where he was gonna shoot it from and then he would tell you that he was gonna bury the shot in your face....and after he made the shot, all you could do was walk off the court and shake your head.


LB was never afraid to talk trash, but no one backed it up like he did.

Originally Posted by T3B

He just simply outworked, outplayed and outsmarted other players.

Pat, do you remember the interview the did with Xavier (X-Man) McDaniel? They were talking about Larry and the end of game situations. X said something along the lines of...

....Larry knew he was getting the ball, you knew Larry was getting the ball. Larry would come tell you he was getting the ball, he would tell you where he was gonna shoot it from and then he would tell you that he was gonna bury the shot in your face....and after he made the shot, all you could do was walk off the court and shake your head.


LB was never afraid to talk trash, but no one backed it up like he did.

Kev there is more than the interview. They have the microphone down on the court and a camera on Bird and McDaniel when Bird was cussing him and vice versa. Bird said I am going to shoot a bleepin 3 on you from right here you bleep. And McDaniel bleepity bleeped back. and bird took the inbounds pass and shot the 3 right where he had pointed and made it. And the thing is Bird just ran off after that. He would cuss you during the game, but after he abused somebody, he would just walk away. He was also famous for spitting. Bird spit on fans in San Antonio and got fined. He was an a-hole.