kip devile 9/2 vs. showing up 6/1

#1 06-20-2006, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

My point was that people that really know horses tend to be more on the breeding/bloodstock side of things. They have to be, there is just much more money there. Someone like Demi Obyrne isn't a trainer, but a vet/bloodstock guy. Clockers are much less inclined to know how a horse will run first out on the turf than a guy who is on the breeding/bloodstock side of the game.

How is taht exactly? Thats utter nonsense. Pardon me but now you are really clueless!! How could a bloddstock agent know better than an experienced trainer/clocker who actually SEES the horse WORK!!!!?????

Gander · #2 06-20-2006, 04:57 PM

Yes, talk of rich people is just completely boring and WE DONT CARE! I dont care if your friend has a yacht in the Bering Strait. Does it put milk on my cereal, nope.

We just want winners. Lets get back to talking about racing and horses in races, shall we. Save the boring talk of rich granny and her fancy english tea parties for people who actually care.

#3 06-20-2006, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

How is taht exactly? Thats utter nonsense. Pardon me but now you are really clueless!! How could a bloddstock agent know better than an experienced trainer/clocker who actually SEES the horse WORK!!!!?????

Well considering they are looking to buy the horse when he retires, I think he knows a little more about him than some guy who saw him 2-3x in the morning.

#4 06-20-2006, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Well considering they are looking to buy the horse when he retires, I think he knows a little more about him than some guy who saw him 2-3x in the morning.

LOL!!! You can only know what you SEE!!! Are you suggesting that some of these folks you know have super powers to enable them to see what everyone else hasn't?

#5 06-20-2006, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by oracle80

LOL!!! You can only know what you SEE!!! Are you suggesting that some of these folks you know have super powers to enable them to see what everyone else hasn't?

The great thing about this argument is that like the derby, some horse is going to win. If Showing Up romps I guess you and your clocker friends must be wrong on this one.

Cajungator26 · #6 06-20-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

The great thing about this argument is that like the derby, some horse is going to win. If Showing Up romps I guess you and your clocker friends must be wrong on this one.

You need to go back and read what his clocker "friend" said... he thought Showing Up and Roman Dynasty were BOTH live horses in this race. He liked Showing Up in this race.

#7 06-20-2006, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

The great thing about this argument is that like the derby, some horse is going to win. If Showing Up romps I guess you and your clocker friends must be wrong on this one.

there you go attemtping to twist words again, well I suppose it beats trying to impress me with "big breeders".
My clocker and friend specifically said that he thinks those two works were VERY good, and that he is a live horse. he ceratinly didn't say that he would not win. He said in his opinion the best two workers were Showing Up and Roman Dynasty and if put to th test he would take Dynasty.

Cajungator26 · #8 06-20-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by boldruler

Well considering they are looking to buy the horse when he retires, I think he knows a little more about him than some guy who saw him 2-3x in the morning.

Ruler, as I'm sure you know, some of the greatest racehorses on the track didn't do diddly squat in the breeding shed. It would be my judgement that most breeding people are smart enough to look beyond a horse's race record and look at his conformation and bloodlines. Wouldn't you say that is correct?