Steve Nash

Olajuwon
Rodman
Bird
Jordan
Virtual Cousy

[EpBurns]

Center- Wilt
Forward- Bird
Forward-Kareem
Guard- Magic
Guard- MJ

BUT this years MVP is Agent Zero you got it Gilbert Areneas he is simply taken a team with not much talent other then Jamison (who is getting old quickly) and Butler (should also make the All-star team) and made them into the number 1 seed in a very weak easter conference.

[SentToStud]

Position: First Team / Second Team / Third

Center: Russell / Kareem / Wilt
Power Forward: Barkley / Malone / McHale
Small Forward: Bird / Erving / Baylor
Shooting Guard: Jordan / Maravich / Robertson
Point Guard: Nash / Cousy / Archibald

I agree, Nash is truly great. Depending on what his team needs, he can either score 30 points or get 20 assists.

[EpBurns]

Sent I know your a big sports fan but how can anyone leave off Magic Johnson!!! he is probably one of the 10 best players ever.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by EpBurns

Sent I know your a big sports fan but how can anyone leave off Magic Johnson!!! he is probably one of the 10 best players ever.

He's tough to leave off for sure! That playoff game he played center when Jabbar was out was a great, great performance. Then again, I put McHale on my list....

You really can't go wrong with any of the players everyone mentioned.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

He's tough to leave off for sure! That playoff game he played center when Jabbar was out was a great, great performance. Then again, I put McHale on my list....

You really can't go wrong with any of the players everyone mentioned.

That playoff game was also during his rookie year which makes it even more amazing. What I like about Magic as my starter is that he is able to post up a smaller guard. That is the only difference for me between Nash and Magic.

Steve Nash is the best passer I have ever seen. He has surpassed Magic. He should be the 3 time MVP. And then the Suns gotta hope they dont meet the Spurs in the playoffs. The Suns gotta hope the Mavs take care of the Spurs in the playoffs because the Suns will not, cannot beat the Spurs in a 7 game series.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Position: First Team / Second Team / Third

Center: Russell / Kareem / Wilt
Power Forward: Barkley / Malone / McHale
Small Forward: Bird / Erving / Baylor
Shooting Guard: Jordan / Maravich / Robertson
Point Guard: Nash / Cousy / Archibald

I agree, Nash is truly great. Depending on what his team needs, he can either score 30 points or get 20 assists.

If Duncan is not the best power forward of all time, I dont know who is. Because it aint the 3 you mentioned.

Magic at point guard is a must.

Maravich????? The best AND ONE player. But does not come close to the best shooting guard. Might as well as George Gervin if you add Maravich.

Other than those I like your list.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

If Duncan is not the best power forward of all time, I dont know who is. Because it aint the 3 you mentioned.

Magic at point guard is a must.

Maravich????? The best AND ONE player. But does not come close to the best shooting guard. Might as well as George Gervin if you add Maravich.

Other than those I like your list.

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Duncan really had two great years. He was plain bad most of last year and isn't good enough to carry his team. That's why he's off my list.

Johnson, sure, why not. But the guy played with Jabbar and Worthy. He was great but I'd still take the others as the top point guards.

And Maravich would have averaged 35 points a game every season if he was healthy and playing in today's NBA. He averaged 44 a game in college and really was minimally healthy for only the first 3-4 years he played in the pros.

For a guy who was playing with one cornary artery, he was as good as I ever saw while playing for lousy teams.

Just my thoughts. Though George Gervin would be in my top 5 shooting guards now that you mention it.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.

Duncan really had two great years. He was plain bad most of last year and isn't good enough to carry his team. That's why he's off my list.

You are kidding. You look only at stats I guess. He has been an Allstar every year. Rookie of the year. 3 NBA championships... HOly Cow waddya want. If the Spurs did not have Duncan now or any year they would barely make the playoffs if at all.
Duncan has the best hands of any big man ever. Thats what allows him to have the most varied post moves of any player in NBA history. He is now in his downhill physical years. So he has to rely even more on saavy than he used to . ANd he was injured last year. He could have been the leading scorer in a number of years if he played on a team like Phoenix but he plays on a team that is more concerned about taking time off the clock on offense, and playing shut down defense.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

You are kidding. You look only at stats I guess. He has been an Allstar every year. Rookie of the year. 3 NBA championships... HOly Cow waddya want. If the Spurs did not have Duncan now or any year they would barely make the playoffs if at all.
Duncan has the best hands of any big man ever. Thats what allows him to have the most varied post moves of any player in NBA history. He is now in his downhill physical years. So he has to rely even more on saavy than he used to . ANd he was injured last year. He could have been the leading scorer in a number of years if he played on a team like Phoenix but he plays on a team that is more concerned about taking time off the clock on offense, and playing shut down defense.

Hilarious.

You say I'm only looking at stats, then you list off Duncan's Cirriculum Vitae Highlights?

Look, do you think Duncan would have had great games against McHale? I don't. He played well against Malone but certainly didn't dominate him. McHale shut down a lot of very good players and would have blocked 2-3 of those 12-foot bank shots Duncan needs to survive every game. And frankly McHale in the low post would have made Duncan look really slow at times.

Hey, I'm not saying Duncan sucks; just that I wouldn't put him in my top 3 at Power Forward.

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Hey, it's just one man's opinion.


And Maravich would have averaged 35 points a game every season if he was healthy and playing in today's NBA. He averaged 44 a game in college and really was minimally healthy for only the first 3-4 years he played in the pros.

For a guy who was playing with one cornary artery, he was as good as I ever saw while playing for lousy teams.

He played when the NBA had to play man to man (anything else was illegal), and on bad teams he was the ONly scorer. He never had to get matched up against Zones and double teams off the ball. And he never shot over 50% from the field. He was a circus to watch, but no way a great all around player like Robertson or Jordan, not even close.

[GPK]

I have a little bias...but you remember the conversation we had on the phone the other day Tim...who I said ran the best 2 races last year.


again, a little bias...but I am smart enough to know there are some other really good horses out there.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by pgardn

He played when the NBA had to play man to man (anything else was illegal), and on bad teams he was the ONly scorer. He never had to get matched up against Zones and double teams off the ball. And he never shot over 50% from the field. He was a circus to watch, but no way a great all around player like Robertson or Jordan, not even close.

Well, I put MAravich in my top 3 along with Jordan and Oscar, so there it is.

As far as xones and doubles, did you ever see Pete play in college? Guy averaged over 42 points a game EVERY year (with no 3-point line). It's not as if they didn't play any D against him in college.

He would have scored 35 a game in the NBA if he was playing now.

How good would Jordan or Oscar have been if they were playing without a left coronary artery?

[Gander]

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

Originally Posted by Gander

Pgard, your Spurs and Tim Duncan bias is very tiresome.
ENd it please.

Its almost as bad as Kevin's English Channel bias

I will end if you can give me a player with better hands and a better post scorer than Duncan. You are watching an all time great in Tim, Tim. I think, I thought, you did not like NBA basketball so how can you rate if you dont watch the games? And the guy has the same first name as you and is nothing but a gentleman. Although he gripes way too much now.

David Robinson was a much better athlete than Tim Duncan, but not even close as a basketball player. I think Robinson is overrated. He was the best athlete to ever play center imo, but a very ordinary basketball player. There, hows that for Spur bias.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by DaHoss9698

Nothing is quite that bad.

you wanna see me got confrontational????

[Gander]

is mchale that white guy from the celtics in the 80's?

Yes. I believe he went on to coach an NBA team in some capacity and still may. He was an awesome player, sort of like Steve Nash, a huge overachiever. Didnt look like much but he was money.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Gander

is mchale that white guy from the celtics in the 80's?

Yes. I believe he went on to coach an NBA team in some capacity and still may. He was an awesome player, sort of like Steve Nash, a huge overachiever. Didnt look like much but he was money.

McHale was a position player and a recipient of some of Birds' greatness! Nash is hardly an overachiever since he's still the reigning MVP. btw...Gander...you haven't said much about baseball this offseason?

Originally Posted by Gander

is mchale that white guy from the celtics in the 80's?

Yes. I believe he went on to coach an NBA team in some capacity and still may. He was an awesome player, sort of like Steve Nash, a huge overachiever. Didnt look like much but he was money.

I dont know about an overacheiver Gander. McHale was just damn good. Nearly the Best footwork of all time for a big man, second only to Hakeem. He played great D also. He was very talented as Nash is. Nash is the only player I have seen that is as good left handed as right handed on everything but jump shots. His left hand is amazing which is why he befuddles so many defenders. So these guys had/have amazing talent just like Magic, and none of them had/have great hops. Lots more to the game than hops.