Top 10 BC perfomances (last 10 years)

Originally Posted by oracle80

I never singled Oonagh McCool anywhere. I haven't called you names. You just accused Frankel of doping the horse in those exact words. I would suggest that Steve would much rather have unpleasantries exchanged then to have someone accusing a horse like Ghostzapper of being doped with absolutely no foundation or proof whatsoever on which to base the accusation.
You would never be teh object of ridicule if you only learned to do one thing, listen and assimilate. YOu obviously don't know a lot about the game but are attempting to learn. learning takes place when you listen to people who know more than you do about a particular subject and pay attention and think about it.
What credentials do you have in your long and illustrious career to dteremine which horses were and were not doped? You have accused many trainers of doing this, yet you offer no information or reasons to back this up.
The sheets DO NOT give picks. If you are referring to the Tg site then that is Jerry;s opinion. The sheets are like anything else, give them tyo 10 different people and they may darw ten different conclusions. They also arent the only thing to look at when attempting to figure out a race. There are about a million factors you can consider. Some more valid and important than others.
Paul, simply learn when to back off after you have made an errant statement rather than further looking stupid with continued baseless accusations.

this is not the AP wire, just guys talkin like in the bar. can you explain to me why a horse would run through jhis abilities every time he runs to point of hurting himsalf.

could it be he couldn't feel pain while running,
could it be it took him 6 months to recover from the damage done while running doped ? because he had hisnerves deadend.

do you run beyond your strength to the point of not being able to walk the next day ?
not if your ruinning withour pain killer you don't.

so i feel the horse may have been doped.
don't act like some naive virgin who just saw her first pecker. the detention barns are there for a reason, to satisfy a need to keep the game clean.
well than it would stand to reason that the game weas unclean before that doesn't it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

this is not the AP wire, just guys talkin like in the bar. can you explain to me why a horse would run through jhis abilities every time he runs to point of hurting himsalf.

could it be he couldn't feel pain while running,
could it be it took him 6 months to recover from the damage done while running doped ? because he had hisnerves deadend.

do you run beyond your strength to the point of not being able to walk the next day ?
not if your ruinning withour pain killer you don't.

so i feel the horse may have been doped.
don't act like some naive virgin who just saw her first pecker. the detention barns are there for a reason, to satisfy a need to keep the game clean.
well than it would stand to reason that the game weas unclean before that doesn't it.

You shouldn't point fingers at someone for doping a horse if you don't have factual evidence that it happened. You can ruin someone's reputation by doing that. Do you have evidence of Ghostzapper being doped that we don't know about?

[zippyneedsawin]

horses also continue to try to run when they break their leg.. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE ALL DOPED, back to MORONVILLE, Mayor.

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Why do you feel Ghostzapper may have been doped but not Pleasantly Perfect? Any proof whatsoever, or is this just a wild accusation coming out of left field?

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

[zippyneedsawin]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

And why does GZ have a label as a "sprinter" from you? Just because he won sprinting races early in his career.. All he did was prove he could also run route races later.. most routers started in sprints.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Secretariat

well i'm not posting anymore on this.

you all seem to be wearing some of those cool Gz blinkers when it comers to assessing what occurred in that race. if you feel that a sprinter can all of a sudden run 10f in 159 through good training methods, and then be injured for months afterward without so much as a perhaps enterring into the equation, then more power to you.
i on the other hand have live too long to be that naive.

Once again, you have no proof, Paul... it's not fair to throw out statements like that unless you do.

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Once again, you have no proof, Paul... it's not fair to throw out statements like that unless you do.

i can conjecture... who said anything about proof.
whats not fair is telling me what opinions i should or should not have..

[1st_Saturday_in_May]

Here are my thoughts on comparing the two horses, for what they are worth, probably nothing

First, I throw the earnings out the window. Of course you're going to earn over $7,000,000 when you win a race with a purse of $6,000,000. Hell, Giacomo's a millionaire, so is Lawyer Ron, so is Cherokee's Boy for that matter. Does that make them "good" horses, better than non-millionaires - no. It means they were well placed. Comparing times would indicate that many Japanese based horses were better than what is running in America and Europe because the purses in the far east are HUGE.

First, Ghostzapper won 4 Grade 1 races in five tries and was never off the board in either. Pleasantly Perfect took 3 Grade 1 races in 6 tries, and was off the board twice.

Biggest difference for me though is the fact that Pleasantly Perfect needed a race to set up for him, while Ghostzapper made his own breaks. Pleasantly Perfect NEEDED a strong pace, or he was going to be hard pressed to win. Ghostzapper set his own pace or closed from last...didnt matter to him.

Not going to compare final times, because they vary from track to track, day to day (i.e. what is good - what is bad - what is average). We'd have to go back and view a ton of charts, stats, etc. to see what was quicker. I'm personally blown away by the 1:46 1/5 that Ghostzapper ran in the Woodward for 9f, but the track could have been playing ultra quick that day. I dunno if it was or not.

I'm basing my opinion purely on the visual aspect of the game. I watched Castellano sit like a statue on Ghostzapper's back and his cruising speed alone was quicker than any other horse could offer. Castellano never asked him in the Met Mile and he still went the three quarter in 1:08 2/5 and the mile in 1:33 1/5...thats damn impressive. Plus, I cannot overlook the fact that he won the 6.5f Vosburgh, the 7f Tom Fool, the 8f Met Mile, the 9f Woodward, and the 10f BC Classic. How many horses are as good around one turn as two? Obviously not Pleasantly Perfect, who never won a race under 8f and never won a Grade 1 less than 9f.

Just my thougths...