kip devile 9/2 vs. showing up 6/1

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by boldruler

I'll take Cornelio over that guy any day of the week. Showing Up raced in a field of 19 last race, lets see how the others handle a big field. I honestly don't see this race being close.

Showing Up wins this for fun IMO.

[Gander]

Morning lines are no more than one person's opinion of what the odds will be when the race goes off. If you asked 5 guys to set the morning line for this race, you'd probably get 5 different prices on Kip Deville and Showing Up, ranging from 9/2 to 8/1 on Kip, and 5/2 to 6/1 on Showing Up.

Not sure why anyone even looks at them. They are definetly no barometer to gauge a race's odds.

Originally Posted by Gander

Morning lines are no more than one person's opinion of what the odds will be when the race goes off. If you asked 5 guys to set the morning line for this race, you'd probably get 5 different prices on Kip Deville and Showing Up, ranging from 9/2 to 8/1 on Kip, and 5/2 to 6/1 on Showing Up.

Not sure why anyone even looks at them. They are definetly no barometer to gauge a race's odds.

Agreed, but the guy who made the line appears to be making it on his opinion, not on what it will be at post. No rational person can think Showing Up will go off at 6-1.

[Gander]

"I can assure you of one thing, Showing Up is a better horse on the turf than on the dirt."


Why? Because one person thinks so? I mean the horse worked brilliantly on grass. Big deal, so do a lot of dirt horses who make the switch. Doesnt mean the horse will take to the grass in a 12 horse field when the gates open.

[Gander]

"No rational person can think Showing Up will go off at 6-1."

I totally agree Boldruler. This horse has no shot of going off at 6/1. Who is this fool who set the line?

Originally Posted by Gander

"I can assure you of one thing, Showing Up is a better horse on the turf than on the dirt."


Why? Because one person thinks so? I mean the horse worked brilliantly on grass. Big deal, so do a lot of dirt horses who make the switch. Doesnt mean the horse will take to the grass in a 12 horse field when the gates open.

The horse has an explosive turn of foot. The guys at Belmont were kidding and saying Barbaro was lucky Showing Up never got a shot at him on the turf because it would have been a dogfight. Considering Barbaro was arguably the best 3yr old turf horse in a decade, I like what I have been hearing about the Jackson's horse.

[Gander]

If Showing Up could have been that competitive with Barbaro on the turf and Barbaro was one arguably the best 3 year old turfer in a decade, think of what Showing Up will do against these gerbils. Should be a mortal lock.

Originally Posted by Gander

If Showing Up could have been that competitive with Barbaro on the turf and Barbaro was one arguably the best 3 year old turfer in a decade, think of what Showing Up will do against these gerbils. Should be a mortal lock.

That is how I am betting it, but he still has to live up to what they are saying. It looks like a pretty weak field to me. If he wins this one, I bet he gets some stiffer competition in the graded $1million race on July 15, although all the top 3yr olds are staying on the dirt as preps for the Travers. I could see him winning the first 3 legs and then getting beaten on BC day by the top 4yr olds, but this group here doesn't impress me at all.

Yeah, ok, sure. The same barn has also told us 100 times that Funny Cide was all set and fixed up and ready to fire a huge shot right before all the losses.
So I'm supposed to empty out on a horse because the same barn says so? No thanks.