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Old 01-25-2007, 03:31 PM
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They agreed to ride in NY in the winter. Ten years ago they didn't cancel like they do now.
That's exactly right. They are cancel happy these days. i don't think they should've cancelled on the hot day in Toga either.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:46 PM
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That's exactly right. They are cancel happy these days. i don't think they should've cancelled on the hot day in Toga either.

I totally disagree. As someone who does a lot of physical activity outside, it was very dangerous for horses to run in that weather. Even more so than humans. I doubt anyone suffered with a rare cancellation at Saratoga, even those who traveled on bus tours to get here unserstood the severity of the situation. It was dangerously hot that day.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:52 PM
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Tim,

Many of the trainers including Mott said they had run in heat like that many times before and they were lost as to the reason not to. They could've run that day. It was in the mid 90's. They run in similar heat in other parts of the country all the time.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:55 PM
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Tim,

Many of the trainers including Mott said they had run in heat like that many times before and they were lost as to the reason not to. They could've run that day. It was in the mid 90's. They run in similar heat in other parts of the country all the time.
The heat index was like 115. It wasn't safe to run.
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:55 PM
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Well Mott would certainly know more than I regarding horses running. But I think it had as much to do with the humidity and quality of the air than the temperature itself.

My doctor is an active marathon runner and a very good one and he told me not to even think of running outside that day. I know horses and people are different but I heard from some very knowledgable exercise jockeys that it was too dangerous to have racing that day.
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Old 01-25-2007, 05:56 PM
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Tim,

Many of the trainers including Mott said they had run in heat like that many times before and they were lost as to the reason not to. They could've run that day. It was in the mid 90's. They run in similar heat in other parts of the country all the time.
Rand,

It must not occur to you that there was a possibility that patrons would have come to the track that day.. Some of them are 'older'.. Some of them would have DIED...

Cancelling was the responsible thing to do...

Ask Hooves and Joey about the day.. We had lunch by the BBQ with Shrek, Donkey, See-Ack-Ahh, Ken Cook and Sonny Taylor...

It was like HELL those few days..
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Old 01-25-2007, 06:07 PM
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yes , im living in the south and it was like africa hot...the heat and humidity was un bearable..i think gary lost 5 lbs..eating..lol
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yes , im living in the south and it was like africa hot...the heat and humidity was un bearable..i think gary lost 5 lbs..eating..lol
I'm sure he's gained it back by now.
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what does steve say...you cant stop em ....you can only...
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Heat Index of 115*F. They run at Lone Star during the summer and they're alright. It's hotter than Hell in late July there everyday.
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:29 PM
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They run at Lone Star during the summer and they're alright

You sure about that? I saw the movie Deliverance.

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Old 01-25-2007, 07:23 PM
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Rand,

It must not occur to you that there was a possibility that patrons would have come to the track that day.. Some of them are 'older'.. Some of them would have DIED...

Cancelling was the responsible thing to do...

Ask Hooves and Joey about the day.. We had lunch by the BBQ with Shrek, Donkey, See-Ack-Ahh, Ken Cook and Sonny Taylor...

It was like HELL those few days..
Hey I was in Jersey that day and it was hotter here. I realize not everyone would've gone to the track but technically they didn't make up that day. Much of the handle for Toga is simulcast and that wouldn't have been affected. Also, the horses and jockeys are the most important aspect and from everything I can gather, most of them felt running was the correct decision. I'll defer to them.
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:37 PM
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Hey I was in Jersey that day and it was hotter here. I realize not everyone would've gone to the track but technically they didn't make up that day. Much of the handle for Toga is simulcast and that wouldn't have been affected. Also, the horses and jockeys are the most important aspect and from everything I can gather, most of them felt running was the correct decision. I'll defer to them.
Rand..

'Most' of the trainers and jockeys? The opinion was mixed... Some said run.. some said don't.. There was no majority either way..

Every track on the Eastern Seaboard was CLOSED.. There is the matter of how it looks that NY is "willing to endanger the horses, riders, employees and patrons" when most every other track within 500 miles wasn't..

And by the way, 5 races off the lost 9 race card was made up with 'extras' between then and the end of the meet, so the 'lost handle' element was reduced to about 4 races..
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:45 PM
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Rand..

'Most' of the trainers and jockeys? The opinion was mixed... Some said run.. some said don't.. There was no majority either way..

Every track on the Eastern Seaboard was CLOSED.. There is the matter of how it looks that NY is "willing to endanger the horses, riders, employees and patrons" when most every other track within 500 miles wasn't..

And by the way, 5 races off the lost 9 race card was made up with 'extras' between then and the end of the meet, so the 'lost handle' element was reduced to about 4 races..
Streve, as was said by a previous poster, horses run in that kind of heat routinely in other parts of the country. With precautions taken, they could've run. I love Nader and the lot there, so I'm not throwing stones, but I do trust in the judgment in some of the best trainers and jocks in the country....Still, they run harness horses in Toga in Feb at -5 degrees. So 22 in NY on a Friday doesn't strike me as a reason to cancel. Even with some wind built in.
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Old 01-25-2007, 07:44 PM
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Let me put it another way, every other racetrack affected by the heat cancelled, so how would it have looked for everybody's favorite whipping boy ( NYRA ) if they were the only ones to run?

And, furthermore, how would it have looked had something heat related and bad happened?

Perception is often as bad as truth, and this is certainly true in our game, thus sometimes these decisions are far from black and white.

And, by the way, I like to spend my days at the track, and I was in Saratoga that day, and it was f'n HOT!
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