Eclipse /Turf Male

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

scrub that hate er off .. ..ec is ok if he would have won the bc or won the million..hed have been a contender...

[GPK]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

scrub that hate er off .. ..ec is ok if he would have won the bc or won the million..hed have been a contender...

Hooves...not hating at all...I like MA, he is a good horse. I just think its tough to justify the Eclipse on the BC race alone.

ALL 3 horses ran some really good races and ALL 3 ran some not so good races. Its just of my opinion that TTM and EC ran better races against better horses more often.

[Gander]

The Tin Man would have gotten it if there wasnt such a intense bias against west coast horses.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Gander

The Tin Man would have gotten it if there wasnt such a intense bias against west coast horses.

from what I understand, all the TVG guys never mentioned EC. All they talked about was TTM. So, the bias works both ways...

[Gander]

I dont think thats the bias talking Kev. I really think the turf division is defined by 3 races- BC Turf and BC Mile, and teh Arlington Million. I really think the experts feel that in order to win the eclipse you need to win at least one of those races.

I would agree that the guys on TVG hold a west coast bias but I was speaking of horse racing in a broader sense. Writers and fans typically give more creedence to those horses based on the east coast and weigh races that are held at Belmont, Saratoga and Churchill with very high regard.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Gander

I dont think thats the bias talking Kev. I really think the turf division is defined by 3 races- BC Turf and BC Mile, and teh Arlington Million. I really think the experts feel that in order to win the eclipse you need to win at least one of those races.

I would agree that the guys on TVG hold a west coast bias but I was speaking of horse racing in a broader sense. Writers and fans typically give more creedence to those horses based on the east coast and weigh races that are held at Belmont, Saratoga and Churchill with very high regard.

Well, a horse can only run in 2 of those 3 races. MA ran in one, TTM ran in one. At least EC put in an effort and ran in 2 of the 3.

I would have ZERO problem if they had given TTM the eclipse, but I just that MA didn't do enough to merit the Eclipse. Winning the BC Mile was great, but not enough for me..

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by T3B

Well, a horse can only run in 2 of those 3 races. MA ran in one, TTM ran in one. At least EC put in an effort and ran in 2 of the 3.

I would have ZERO problem if they had given TTM the eclipse, but I just that MA didn't do enough to merit the Eclipse. Winning the BC Mile was great, but not enough for me..

Which means he had more chances than either TTM or MA to win even one of them.....

[Gander]

I agree. MA is a damn nice horse and its nice to see him ressurect his career from when Billy Mott use to have him and he use to burn money as the favorite. Its also very fitting that he was the horse who beat Jerry Bailey and Silver Tree in Jerry's last ride, considering Jerry use to ride the horse all the time.

The BC holds so much and its just plain wrong. Yes I love the day, one of my favorite days all year long, but you need to look at races like the Arlington Million and the other grade 1's too.

You know what I found amazing was Bishop Court Hill got as many votes (1) as Bordonaro did for champion sprinter! Bordonaro beat Thors Echo 2 out of 3 times and Thors Echo was a well deserved winner of the Eclipse. Funny thing is I am pretty sure I know the guy who voted for Bishop Court Hill.