some thoughts on poly after running over it

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Playa,you hang around with almost all mules.I would think it would be pretty tough to make an assessment of a surface when you don't have any good horses to try on it.Seems to me,when they had dirt, they used to be closed like an average of every other day there(in the Winter.)We will see whether they have to do anywhere near that with this stuff.I think it is silly to say dirt was better.This stuff may not be what they want (in the end,)but it is better than dirt.You can talk all you want about this topic,but it comes down to whether horses are being entered.When they consistently get 11,12,14,14 horses entered,then you look kind of silly complaining about a surface.

LOL nice AHOLE remark there scuds, but nice of you to make it without even knowing what horses we have in the barn. i guess these 2 are"mules" too huh

GAMBLERS PRIZE (USA) dkb/br. G, 2002 DP = 3-3-4-0-0 (10) DI = 4.00 CD = 0.90 - 16 Starts, 6 Wins, 1 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: 92,546
Breeder: R. Otto Stables Inc.
State Bred: IL
Winnings: 16 Starts: 6 - 1 - 3, 92,546

DANCEFORTYNINER (USA) b. C, 2001 DP = 9-1-8-1-1 (20) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.80 - 18 Starts, 4 Wins, 3 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $98,100

Breeder: Thomas L. Nicholas
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 18 Starts: 4 - 3 - 1, $98,100

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

LOL nice AHOLE remark there scuds, but nice of you to make it without even knowing what horses we have in the barn. i guess these 2 are"mules" too huh

GAMBLERS PRIZE (USA) dkb/br. G, 2002 DP = 3-3-4-0-0 (10) DI = 4.00 CD = 0.90 - 16 Starts, 6 Wins, 1 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: 92,546
Breeder: R. Otto Stables Inc.
State Bred: IL
Winnings: 16 Starts: 6 - 1 - 3, 92,546

DANCEFORTYNINER (USA) b. C, 2001 DP = 9-1-8-1-1 (20) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.80 - 18 Starts, 4 Wins, 3 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $98,100

Breeder: Thomas L. Nicholas
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 18 Starts: 4 - 3 - 1, $98,100

I would like to purchase one of your mules.

[sumitas]

Poly will only get better over time.

[AeWingnut]

Turfway doesn't have near the kickback that Woodbine does. It probably has everything to do with the temps. I can remember seeing climps the size of small children being kicked up at Woodbne. The cloud that was kicked up was ridiculous. No one knows how poly in the lungs will effect the horses or the people. 20 - 30 years from now is everyone going to have some form of asbestosis. I know the track isn't made out of asbestos.

The old surface was terrible but you could pick up on some crazy bias action. There were races where everything on the outside would win. 10-1 or 99-1 didn't matter. I think you are still dead meat if you stay on the rail but it isn't as pronounced.

I know the guy from Mounaineer absolutely hates poly track. I think he loves that dirt tracks can be massaged to give someone an edge. There are days at Mountaineer that the #1 horse wins 75% of the races. (I know the BC but I thought those were the best horses too)

all in all if it is safer then I am for it. No reason to risk life and limb for a dinky Turfway purse

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

LOL nice AHOLE remark there scuds, but nice of you to make it without even knowing what horses we have in the barn. i guess these 2 are"mules" too huh

GAMBLERS PRIZE (USA) dkb/br. G, 2002 DP = 3-3-4-0-0 (10) DI = 4.00 CD = 0.90 - 16 Starts, 6 Wins, 1 Places, 3 Shows Career Earnings: 92,546
Breeder: R. Otto Stables Inc.
State Bred: IL
Winnings: 16 Starts: 6 - 1 - 3, 92,546

DANCEFORTYNINER (USA) b. C, 2001 DP = 9-1-8-1-1 (20) DI = 2.33 CD = 0.80 - 18 Starts, 4 Wins, 3 Places, 1 Shows Career Earnings: $98,100

Breeder: Thomas L. Nicholas
State Bred: KY
Winnings: 18 Starts: 4 - 3 - 1, $98,100

Why you giving me names of horses that last raced in JAN 2006,and Sept 2005? This mule you ran Saturday night is pretty typical.She won at Arlington for somebody.Then lays up 4 months n' runs 7th by 17 lengths.Then you guys get her(who wouldn't want her then right? duh),and she loses by almost 9 lengths.You run her for the same tag (with Nick Meza,)and she can't compete,Big surprise.Drop to 5k.Then complain about a track surface.All I am saying is how can you tell anything about a track surface when you test it with a pet mule.Doesn't make sense.

[The Bid]

Woodbines track is a joke, and TWP has been lucky to have a mild winter.

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Why you giving me names of horses that last raced in JAN 2006,and Sept 2005? This mule you ran Saturday night is pretty typical.She won at Arlington for somebody.Then lays up 4 months n' runs 7th by 17 lengths.Then you guys get her(who wouldn't want her then right? duh),and she loses by almost 9 lengths.You run her for the same tag (with Nick Meza,)and she can't compete,Big surprise.Drop to 5k.Then complain about a track surface.All I am saying is how can you tell anything about a track surface when you test it with a pet mule.Doesn't make sense.

again my trainer ran 1 over the poly and won last year, im not complaining about the surface becuase the horse lost the race. i guess you automatically assumed so since everytime you lose a bet you find somebody or something to blame other than yourself. i just think the surface is too fast right now. i extensively complained 2 years ago on the espn board about the arlington surface being way too fast, and unfortunately the following year meaning this year look at all the breakdowns we had here.


as far as the filly goes we didnt claim her or ask for the horse. the owners gave her to us and we ran her for straight 3yo's for 16k first time out here at hawthorne which is tougher than 15 non 3l@turfway, she ran 3rd in that race behind a very nice winner, miss queenie is ultra quick. she was in the right race just didnt handle the surface and maybe the shipping also didnt help since she is kinda nervous. she is so much better tho as opposed to when we first got her. if the owners let us run her in the spot we want to next out i think shell be really tough and no its not for 5k


you act like i have no reason to voice an opinion about a surface or anything i want to, well if thats the case please dont tell me what horses are good and which ones arent till you actually plunk down some of your own money or get involved in the sport in a aspect other than strictly gambling on it

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

you act like i have no reason to voice an opinion about a surface or anything i want to, well if thats the case please dont tell me what horses are good and which ones arent till you actually plunk down some of your own money or get involved in the sport in a aspect other than strictly gambling on it

Amen, playa...

There are gamblers and then there are those who actually take part in the business.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Amen, playa...

There are gamblers and then there are those who actually take part in the business.

I don't get that from what he posted at all.

And, furthermore, calling horseplayers " gamblers " shows a complete lack of understanding of what " horseplayers " actually are. Plus, we ( horseplayers that is ) do " take part in the business ".

[disappearingdan_akaplaya]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't get that from what he posted at all.

And, furthermore, calling horseplayers " gamblers " shows a complete lack of understanding of what " horseplayers " actually are. Plus, we ( horseplayers that is ) do " take part in the business ".

LOL

Here goes this retarded debate again. We're all pieces to the puzzle. Get over yourselves.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

I don't get that from what he posted at all.

And, furthermore, calling horseplayers " gamblers " shows a complete lack of understanding of what " horseplayers " actually are. Plus, we ( horseplayers that is ) do " take part in the business ".

Who is he to talk down to Playa about his horses? Call yourself a "horseplayer" if you want, Andy, if you'd like to sugarcoat the word "gambler." Of course you take part in the business. Without "horseplayers", there wouldn't be horse racing, but in the same token, without the horse racing, there would be no "horseplayers." Guys that take their part by owning horses (even claimers) are a big part of the business IMO and to talk down to them like that shows a lack of respect.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Who is he to talk down to Playa about his horses? Call yourself a "horseplayer" if you want, Andy, if you'd like to sugarcoat the word "gambler." Of course you take part in the business. Without "horseplayers", there wouldn't be horse racing, but in the same token, without the horse racing, there would be no "horseplayers." Guys that take their part by owning horses (even claimers) are a big part of the business IMO and to talk down to them like that shows a lack of respect.

I never said he had any right to talk down to that poster, or any poster, and I had no problem with Dan's response. It was your's I disagreed with...and I see you have amended your thoughts. Thanks.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

Amen, playa...

There are gamblers and then there are those who actually take part in the business.

I should add that when I said the above, I meant those that own horses. I wasn't very clear... I apologize.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by disappearingdan_akaplaya

.... dont tell me what horses are good and which ones arent till you actually plunk down some of your own money or get involved in the sport in a aspect other than strictly gambling on it

Well,if they could race more often,then I might invest,but until then, it is just a money blender.You already know all about this.That's why I favor the synthetic surfaces.It is the only real hope for owners to realistically be able to invest smartly in the game.Training on dirt will not allow Thoroughbreds to stay sound enough to run enough times a year for owners to make money consistently.Until synthetics are used consistently,standardbreds are a better investment.You want to fill proud about blowin' all the money you have? Great.

[todko]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

Well,if they could race more often,then I might invest,but until then, it is just a money blender.You already know all about this.That's why I favor the synthetic surfaces.It is the only real hope for owners to realistically be able to invest smartly in the game.Training on dirt will not allow Thoroughbreds to stay sound enough to run enough times a year for owners to make money consistently.Until synthetics are used consistently,standardbreds are a better investment.You want to fill proud about blowin' all the money you have? Great.

I'd actually favor synthetic surfaces too Scuds. I'd actually favor synthetic surfaces developed by DuPont or BASF -- corporations with real Phds in Materials Science, Physics, and Engineering. I'd favor surfaces designed and tested by experts.

I don't favor somebody like Martin Collins concocting walks and gallops out of pollutants (old tires, carpet fibers) and then selling it as a racing surface and as the panacea to all of racing's problems. Check into "Marty's" background -- he's not exactly a graduate of MIT.

Kickback problems? Hell, let's chop up some spandex and wire coverings and throw it in the mix. Add some Oreo cookies too while you're at it.

I have to sign off now and resume my Snow Dance. Trying to get it to freeze and snow. Instead of betting on the horses we'll be betting on how far those clumps of poly can fly. A nice freeze and the gate crew won't be the only ones wearing flak vests -- the jockeys will need them too.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by todko

I'd actually favor synthetic surfaces too Scuds. I'd actually favor synthetic surfaces developed by DuPont or BASF -- corporations with real Phds in Materials Science, Physics, and Engineering. I'd favor surfaces designed and tested by experts.

I don't favor somebody like Martin Collins concocting walks and gallops out of pollutants (old tires, carpet fibers) and then selling it as a racing surface and as the panacea to all of racing's problems. Check into "Marty's" background -- he's not exactly a graduate of MIT.

Kickback problems? Hell, let's chop up some spandex and wire coverings and throw it in the mix. Add some Oreo cookies too while you're at it.

I have to sign off now and resume my Snow Dance. Trying to get it to freeze and snow. Instead of betting on the horses we'll be betting on how far those clumps of poly can fly. A nice freeze and the gate crew won't be the only ones wearing flak vests -- the jockeys will need them too.

People tend to put the microscope on whether a certain synthetic will allow racing in the f'n Tundra.I think the most important thing is that horses(in general) will be able to race more often(per year) if they at least train on a synthetic.

[JJP]

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