Declans Moon

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

You seriously can't be talking about Ellis...

Why can't I. I dont think he is much of a trainer. Running this horse in spots where he has no business isnt exactly a bright move. Then bringing him back pretty quickly when something is obviously wrong doesnt qualify as smart.

As far as the "stupid man" comment.....I read this year where he said he was looking forwards to running DM in the Strub Series this year...you know the series for 3 yr olds turning 4 in 2007. Last I checked DM was a 5 yr old in 2007. Now either he didnt know the conditions for the series (clueless) or he is just a stupid individual. Either way.....doesn't look to good....

[KirisClown]

The scintillating replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrEIhlu97A

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by KirisClown

The scintillating replay...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtrEIhlu97A

I dont what is more pathetic.....how DM ran...or Ron Ellis for runnning this horse back too soon.

God is he an awful trainer......

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

I dont what is more pathetic.....how DM ran...or Ron Ellis for runnning this horse back too soon.

God is he an awful trainer......

A tough day for a good trainer.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

A tough day for a good trainer.

A tough day for an overrated and clueless trainer.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

A tough day for an overrated and clueless trainer.

Yeah, he sure is terrible. That's why his win percentage was 29% in 2005 and then 22% last year. He's got one of the highest win percentages of any trainer and he is one of the best trainers in Southern California. His reputation is impeccable.

By the way, if he's so clueless then how is it that he has so consistently moved horses up off the claim over the years? He's been doing that for over 20 years. He even move them up off of guys like Mullins.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Yeah, he sure is terrible. That's why his win percentage was 29% in 2005 and then 22% last year. He's got one of the highest win percentages of any trainer and he is one of the best trainers in Southern California. His reputation is impeccable.

By the way, if he's so clueless then how is it that he has so consistently moved horses up off the claim over the years? He's been doing that for over 20 years. He even move them up off of guys like Mullins.

His job with Declans Moon after the injury was one of the worst I have ever seen. One of the best in so-cal? Well...not really saying much considering we are talking about southern california (racing there has gone to hell). What good horses has he had recently...please enlighten me.

[2Hot4TV]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

A tough day for an overrated and clueless trainer.

Stoner , Give it a rest. Ron Ellis is a much better trainer than you.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by 2Hot4TV

Stoner , Give it a rest. Ron Ellis is a much better trainer than you.

LOL

One of the funniest posts I have seen.


Someone telling me he is a better trainer than me. Too damn funny.


Newsflash genius...I am not a horse trainer. I suppose I should gloat that I am a better commodities trader than Ellis huh?

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

A tough day for a good trainer.

Agreed. It looked to me like the horse may have displaced. He flung his head way up in the air as they came off the turn and into the stretch.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

Agreed. It looked to me like the horse may have displaced. He flung his head way up in the air as they came off the turn and into the stretch.

Yea,he hasn't just lost a cylinder(like B DEREK.)HE IS BLEEDING ,OR LOSING HIS AIR.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

Why can't I. I dont think he is much of a trainer. Running this horse in spots where he has no business isnt exactly a bright move. Then bringing him back pretty quickly when something is obviously wrong doesnt qualify as smart.

As far as the "stupid man" comment.....I read this year where he said he was looking forwards to running DM in the Strub Series this year...you know the series for 3 yr olds turning 4 in 2007. Last I checked DM was a 5 yr old in 2007. Now either he didnt know the conditions for the series (clueless) or he is just a stupid individual. Either way.....doesn't look to good....

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

He was quoted in the DRF THIS YEAR. Go back and look for yourself.....it was pointed out to me by a few different people.....even I couldnt make something that funny up.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Show me the interview where Ellis said he was going to run the horse in the Strub series this year. I don't believe he ever said that. That was the plan last year, not this year. Ellis knows the conditions of the Strub Series and every series for that matter. He is one of the sharpest trainers when it comes to being aware of conditions.

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:


From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.






Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by stonegossard

This was from Oak Tree Barn Notes in the beginning of October 2006:


From Oak Tree Barn Notes a couple of days ago:

. . . Ron Ellis is hopeful Declan's Moon can make the Strub series at Santa Anita starting on Dec. 26. "Long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita," the trainer said after the male 2-year-old champion of 2004 worked three furlongs at Hollywood Friday in :35.80.




Pretty sad huh....guy doesnt even know his horse was too old for the race...

That was the mistake of the person who wrote the article. Read Ellis' quote. Ellis didn't mention the Strub Series. Ellis said, "The long range plans are for the big races at Santa Anita." Ellis did not mention the Strub Series. The person who wrote the article was the one who mentioned the Strub Series. The writer obviously forget how old DM was.

I can assure you that Ellis never mentioned the Strub Series.

[lg1965]

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

If I recall, there was only one poster on here "handing Zito's ass to him."

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Cajungator26

If I recall, there was only one poster on here "handing Zito's ass to him."

You are correct. There is only one poster that had anything negative to say about Zito on this board. I like both trainers too Cajun.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by ultracapper

that one there doesn't quote ellis, but i remember a quote where, he indeed, said he was pointing for the strub series. i remember clearly discussing it with somebody and saying it would have been nice if the reporter would have covered for him. it might have been in the print version of drf. i remember it very well. i thought at the time it was very tacky that the reporter didn't have his back. i think it was with gmb, i'm sure it was (is gmb on this board?). i remember gmb asking why would any reporter want to cover for him, he's a jerk. then greg said he wouldn't let ellis train a mule, never mind a thoroughbred.

anyway, i don't care. i just find it funny that zito got his a$$ handed to him on this board, and ron ellis is getting so much support. if you want to support ron ellis with a couple of 4th place derby finishes, and bust zito because he's only WON a few triple crown races, it's just backasswards. in my humble opinion, the difference between those two trainers is night and day, and i don't think i need to state which one i think is in the dark.

There is no chance that Ellis mentioned the Strub Series. I know Ellis very well. He knows what's going on. He knows how old his horse is. The reason I asked to see the quote was because I knew that there was no chance that Ellis said that. Sure enough, there is no quote from Ellis that mentions the Strub. If he said he was going to run in the Strub Series, that's what the quote would have said. If he was that specific in mentioning the Strub Series, then why would the quote have only mentioned "the big races at Santa Anita"? Do you think in one sentence he said, "I'm pointing him for the Strub Series."? Then in the next sentence he said, "Im pointing him for the big races at Santa Anita."? That's ridiculous. It was obviously the writer that made the mistake.

With regard to Nick Zito, I think he is a very good trainer.

[stonegossard]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

There is no chance that Ellis mentioned the Strub Series. I know Ellis very well. He knows what's going on. He knows how old his horse is. The reason I asked to see the quote was because I knew that there was no chance that Ellis said that. Sure enough, there is no quote from Ellis that mentions the Strub. If he said he was going to run in the Strub Series, that's what the quote would have said. If he was that specific in mentioning the Strub Series, then why would the quote have only mentioned "the big races at Santa Anita"? Do you think in one sentence he said, "I'm pointing him for the Strub Series."? Then in the next sentence he said, "Im pointing him for the big races at Santa Anita."? That's ridiculous. It was obviously the writer that made the mistake.

With regard to Nick Zito, I think he is a very good trainer.

The Zito thing wasnt meant for you...was meant for that idiot on here who was blasting him...

He says he is pointing for big races at SA.....The Strub and The Malibu are probably two of the top races (along with big cap and SA Derby)....so I dont get your argument there...those are big races at SA

Listen...I think Ellis is an average trainer at best who really screwed up with Declan's moon.....my opinion which I have the right to.....

You like they guy and think a lot more of him than me....thats fine....lets move on