Tiz Wonderful injured, off Derby Trail

[Gauchos0522]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

At this point they all have upside. Technically, considering he had already run some reasonably fast races, he actually had less upside than the vast majority of 3YOs.

His defection is completely unsurprising.

Completely agreed. Hope he makes it back sometime... highly doubt it and found his last race no where near as impressive as Nobiz. As you said it was only a matter of time.

[pmayjr]

Let's see how greedy his owners are in deciding to retire him or not... another horse with a minor at best resume gettin retired... never seen that5 before... nope not at all lol. There's been horses 10-times worse retired, so I agree, he's done for good.

[sumitas]

Were the 3 Northern Dancers and 4 Native Dancers too much of a "good" thing ?

[Sightseek]

Maybe I'm too easily amused, but anyone else find humor in the fact that the guy who is fighting to clean up the Blood-stock Industry has his best horse trained by the man who just served 6 months on drug violations?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Maybe I'm too easily amused, but anyone else find humor in the fact that the guy who is fighting to clean up the Blood-stock Industry has his best horse trained by the man who just served 6 months on drug violations?

DO WHAT I SAY NOT WHAT I DO !!!!.....or I'll sue you!

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Maybe I'm too easily amused, but anyone else find humor in the fact that the guy who is fighting to clean up the Blood-stock Industry has his best horse trained by the man who just served 6 months on drug violations?

Why is it any different than Cot Campbell having horses with Todd Pletcher? What about Barry Irwin having horses with Todd Pletcher? The only difference I see is that Barry Irwin constantly speaks his mind about drugs/medications issues, rules, reform, etc., and that's perfectly fine. Eveyrone is entitled to their opinion, and I for one read Barry Irwin's opinion whenever he publishes it. I don't like all the name calling and insulting commentary that he partakes in, but he's a big boy and he can do whatever he wants.

Jess Jackson on the other hand seems motivated, as you say, to clean up the bloodstock industry as it relates to agents, fraud, and the like. Cot Campbell chaired an industry task force on these issues as well.

Eric

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by ELA

Why is it any different than Cot Campbell having horses with Todd Pletcher? What about Barry Irwin having horses with Todd Pletcher? The only difference I see is that Barry Irwin constantly speaks his mind about drugs/medications issues, rules, reform, etc., and that's perfectly fine. Eveyrone is entitled to their opinion, and I for one read Barry Irwin's opinion whenever he publishes it. I don't like all the name calling and insulting commentary that he partakes in, but he's a big boy and he can do whatever he wants.

Jess Jackson on the other hand seems motivated, as you say, to clean up the bloodstock industry as it relates to agents, fraud, and the like. Cot Campbell chaired an industry task force on these issues as well.

Eric

It is different because Jackson is screaming about integrity, going to politicians, suing people while employing a trainer that has had alot of positives including one (the Mepiv positive in LA) that was not an accident(see DRF article by Haggerty).
Irwin talks out of both sides of his mouth while Campbell is not out there suing people.

It is interesting that Jackson sell some horses under his name but sells others incognito.

[ELA]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It is different because Jackson is screaming about integrity, going to politicians, suing people while employing a trainer that has had alot of positives including one (the Mepiv positive in LA) that was not an accident(see DRF article by Haggerty).
Irwin talks out of both sides of his mouth while Campbell is not out there suing people.

It is interesting that Jackson sell some horses under his name but sells others incognito.

I agree with you about Jackson selling horses under more than one name. That to me is an itegrity problem. Also, when you have a guy who is going to be a commercial breeder, but culls the crop every year in order to retain horses to race, that is something that the marketplace will know, and should, and will react to.

However, as everyone already knows, each one of Jackson's suits involves bloodstock transactions, alleged fraud, etc. Having his horses with Steve Assmusen may in some people's opinion speak about Jackson's ethics, morals, integrity, etc. -- but that in my mind is far different than the Barry Irwin situation. I understand the levels were far different, and you are right about that point.

Barry speaking out of both sides of his mouth is one thing. Campbell, while I don't know him personally, doesn't have to sue someone in order to have his opinion scrutinized. Good points.

Eric

[paisjpq]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Maybe I'm too easily amused, but anyone else find humor in the fact that the guy who is fighting to clean up the Blood-stock Industry has his best horse trained by the man who just served 6 months on drug violations?

I find it even more amusing when Team Valor uses Pletcher (under suspension) at the same time Barry Irwin is writing editorials about his love of hay oats and water and nothing else...

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by paisjpq

I find it even more amusing when Team Valor uses Pletcher (under suspension) at the same time Barry Irwin is writing editorials about his love of hay oats and water and nothing else...

DO AS I SAY BUT NOT AS I DO !!!!

[Cannon Shell]

I was think about the whole issue of integrity in this industry this morning. Just my opinion but I think that most fans, gamblers, and smaller owners are far more concerned about integrity than the major figures in the game INCLUDING the racetracks themselves.