hillary or osama er bama....

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, why don't you offer some specifics on exactly why you don't like Hilary, instead of just saying "God help us" if she's elected. I can give you specific things about Giuliani and McCain that I don't like, actions that they have taken while elected officials. Offer the same stuff on Hilary, please- which of her positions do you opposed? Otherwise you come across sounding as though you get your talking points from Rush Limbaugh, and he's not known for his journalistic integrity.

I gots news for ya, my friend- politicians are ALL power-mad schemers. It's how they get elected. I find it very sexist of you that you clearly consider that a negative thing in a woman but not a man.

GR: Let's do the last stuff first...you are projecting possibly..that I made a sexist remark about women in general, and Hillary in specific...I am not a sexist. I do not believe all people in politics are powermad,but I think Hillary is,and I think she started at a young age! I'm not lookin for Diogenes,here. Obama is untested completely, McCain is a possible nutjob,and Guilani is soft on everything but defense..his possible saving grace! As far as Hilary goes..she's legend as far as payback goes...I can get a list if you need it. Her healthcare plan was a giant mistake(14% gross national expense) Painted herself as a victim(horntoad for a husband)but went after anyone who dare crossed her and FOB. Grossly unqualified to be President...no experience with making or managing foreign policy. Great attack dog modus operendi for using her and Bubbas' staffs for slandering,and investigational techniques for possible political opponents(J.E.Hoover comes to mind) and don't forget the Clinton deathlist...it's out there...just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories...by the way...jet fuel burns at 1525...irons' integrity breaks down at 850....so much for "the govt did it" theory! If you'd like to discuss further..feel free...one last thing..Salon is JUST above commondreams as far as veracity goes! Cheers

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

GR: Let's do the last stuff first...you are projecting possibly..that I made a sexist remark about women in general, and Hillary in specific...I am not a sexist. I do not believe all people in politics are powermad,but I think Hillary is,and I think she started at a young age! I'm not lookin for Diogenes,here. Obama is untested completely, McCain is a possible nutjob,and Guilani is soft on everything but defense..his possible saving grace! As far as Hilary goes..she's legend as far as payback goes...I can get a list if you need it. Her healthcare plan was a giant mistake(14% gross national expense) Painted herself as a victim(horntoad for a husband)but went after anyone who dare crossed her and FOB. Grossly unqualified to be President...no experience with making or managing foreign policy. Great attack dog modus operendi for using her and Bubbas' staffs for slandering,and investigational techniques for possible political opponents(J.E.Hoover comes to mind) and don't forget the Clinton deathlist...it's out there...just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories...by the way...jet fuel burns at 1525...irons' integrity breaks down at 850....so much for "the govt did it" theory! If you'd like to discuss further..feel free...one last thing..Salon is JUST above commondreams as far as veracity goes! Cheers

Ah, specifics! Thank you. I have to get to work in about 5 minutes, but I'll start up-

Currently the US pays more, per person, in healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and our lifespan is lower and infant death rate higher than most any other industrialized nation. Health care needs reform. Yes, it would add a big cost to the government (14 percent is the number you quoted, and until I research myself I'll accept that as fair) BUT it would cut 20 percent from the cost of producing steel. The central reason jobs are going overseas is that they are cheaper overthere and the leading cause is healthcare. So, a 14 percent increase in domestic spending, versus a 20 percent decrease in cost of manufacturing. I'll take cutting the cost of manufacturing, myself, if it keeps jobs here.

Please cite me examples of when Hillary painted herself as a victim about her husband's infidelity. From what I read (including her very boring autobiography) she's spoken less about it than anyone else, including her husband. And regarding attacking the GOP-- they went after her husband for a sexual infidelity, and spent your money and mine in the process. What did you expect her to do? Sit back and watch her husband get slaughtered? I gave her props for coming out swinging (metaphorically in the fighting sense, not in the 1970's sense, which would have been VERY interesting) and taking control of what was, really, a stupid, stupid "crisis" instituted by the GOP.

She's been a Senator for six years and serves on the Armed Forces Committee- how does she have no experience with making or managing foreign policy? What was GW's experience with foreign policy prior to the White House? He was a governor, right? In the one of the states that gives little power to the governor (pgardn, correct me if I'm wrong here, please).

Yes, I would appreciate you posting Hillary's payback list, as you put it. Please do!

Okay, later 'gators (Cajun and otherwise)- gotta go work some more.

As for the sexism-- see the smiley- trying to make a point about unsubstantiated accusations, using the fact that you only pointed out women in politics as being powermad. It's easy to do, isn't it?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From what I read, including her very boring autobiography

Oh man, I loved her autobiography. I thought while it was tedious at times because it was very anecdotal, even about things that bored me -- I thought it was well written and a real testament to the woman she is. I thought it was really interesting to read a lot of what she said, and how much restraint she showed when talking about sensitive things.

Plus, it gave me an excuse to camp out overnight to get to shake her hand at a Borders Books

Any excuse for camping out overnight on city streets is a good one for me!

[timmgirvan]

GR: when you get the time...start with TravelGate! Regarding the GOP..it was elected members of Congress led by the Soul of Congress Liebermann who condemned Clinton for his foolishness,not Party Heads. Hillary came out swinging?..more like a knife in the back or Death threats on enemys families! Any body around you know who's had 60-70 associates meet untimely deaths! They could make a movie about it....but then they'd have to kill everybody who saw the movie!! Ron Brown ring a bell? And I didn't say women...I said Hillary, but I'll throw in Pelosi for you too!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

GR: when you get the time...start with TravelGate! Regarding the GOP..it was elected members of Congress led by the Soul of Congress Liebermann who condemned Clinton for his foolishness,not Party Heads. Hillary came out swinging?..more like a knife in the back or Death threats on enemys families! Any body around you know who's had 60-70 associates meet untimely deaths! They could make a movie about it....but then they'd have to kill everybody who saw the movie!! Ron Brown ring a bell? And I didn't say women...I said Hillary, but I'll throw in Pelosi for you too!

Timm, which party was in control of Congress during the impeachment thing? Come on, which party? Lieberman didn't spearhead the thing; he voted for it (and by the way, if you want him, you can have him. Just give us Chuck Hagel in return). Ron Brown? Right. And Senator Wellstone's plane was brought down by Republican agents determined to make sure they kept control of the Senate. You've GOT to get off the conspiracy stuff, at least with me, as I don't think I've ever posted anything to indicate I believe any of them (other than Condi sleeping with Bush, heh heh heh).

So, how many people met untimely deaths? Sixty or seventy? Post their names, please. If you're going to accuse the Clintons of that much conspiracy and murder, you should post all the names of people you believe they had killed. Again, specifics.

As I said, the only powermad people you mentioned were both female. And you mentioned Pelosi the first time. Be sure to reread your posts so you don't repeat yourself and just further accentuate my point- which is that even though it's easy to make generalized accusations, I'd recommend not doing it because it can go both ways. Midolman.

(No I don't think you hate women or anything like that. I was just trying to say something about generalizations)

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, which party was in control of Congress during the impeachment thing? Come on, which party? Lieberman didn't spearhead the thing; he voted for it (and by the way, if you want him, you can have him. Just give us Chuck Hagel in return). Ron Brown? Right. And Senator Wellstone's plane was brought down by Republican agents determined to make sure they kept control of the Senate. You've GOT to get off the conspiracy stuff, at least with me, as I don't think I've ever posted anything to indicate I believe any of them (other than Condi sleeping with Bush, heh heh heh).

So, how many people met untimely deaths? Sixty or seventy? Post their names, please. If you're going to accuse the Clintons of that much conspiracy and murder, you should post all the names of people you believe they had killed. Again, specifics.

As I said, the only powermad people you mentioned were both female. And you mentioned Pelosi the first time. Be sure to reread your posts so you don't repeat yourself and just further accentuate my point- which is that even though it's easy to make generalized accusations, I'd recommend not doing it because it can go both ways. Midolman.

(No I don't think you hate women or anything like that. I was just trying to say something about generalizations)

GR: I'll fess up..I have been called a bit*h! MidolMan is good,though! You're still projecting,Gr, about my sexist(not) comments. I think Geo Soros is powermad too. But he's not King,yet. Just like them to kick JL to the curb once he's fulfilled his purpose. You can Google like the best of them,GR, so you can look up things pertinent to this. You know that Ron Brown was facing criminal charges, and he told Slick Willie he wasn't going down alone! Bye RB. Have you never heard of the Clinton death list? If you need it I'll post it if I can get the link. And I want to publicly thank DTS for giving me the info on posting a link. He's the BEST!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

GR: I'll fess up..I have been called a bit*h! MidolMan is good,though! You're still projecting,Gr, about my sexist(not) comments. I think Geo Soros is powermad too. But he's not King,yet. Just like them to kick JL to the curb once he's fulfilled his purpose. You can Google like the best of them,GR, so you can look up things pertinent to this. You know that Ron Brown was facing criminal charges, and he told Slick Willie he wasn't going down alone! Bye RB. Have you never heard of the Clinton death list? If you need it I'll post it if I can get the link. And I want to publicly thank DTS for giving me the info on posting a link. He's the BEST!

Timm, I hate to say it again, but if you're going to post things, you need to be willing to back it up yourself, not tell me it's my responsibility to go Google it (hey, I thought you Republicans were all about personal responsibility, and here you are telling me it's my job to go try to prove you right. Wha?). If you can't post the info to back up your assertions, I don't have any reason to believe them. Yes, please find the "death list" and post the link. Without the link I have no reason to believe you didn't just make it up. I can say Bush and Condi are f*cking like bunnies, but I gots no proof. (actually, they probably aren't. Condi doesn't come across like a woman who's getting any)

(But I'll still design your campaign t-shirts while DTS is grassroots campaigning for you. )

Sorry I was out; I was in meetings all night. Way to spend a Friday.

[timmgirvan]

[quote=GenuineRisk]Timm, I hate to say it again, but if you're going to post things, you need to be willing to back it up yourself, not tell me it's my responsibility to go Google it (hey, I thought you Republicans were all about personal responsibility, and here you are telling me it's my job to go try to prove you right. Wha?). If you can't post the info to back up your assertions, I don't have any reason to believe them. Yes, please find the "death list" and post the link. Without the link I have no reason to believe you didn't just make it up. I can say Bush and Condi are f*cking like bunnies, but I gots no proof. (actually, they probably aren't. Condi doesn't come across like a woman who's getting any)

(But I'll still design your campaign t-shirts while DTS is grassroots campaigning for you. )

Sorry I was out; I was in meetings all night. Way to spend a Friday. [/Qhttp://www.lizmichael.com/clintond.htmUOTE] This is a list,partial I believe, more than coincidence. I do understand that you've had a long day.