hillary or osama er bama....

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

i was indifferent as to whether she left him or not -- but i think it speaks volumes that when all the feminists were calling on her to leave him, she made up her own mind. she forgave him and stuck with him. that's totally her own personal choice, and she made it even when others wouldn't understand.

Exactly....a personal decision that none of us are in position to judge BUT the strength to do what she obviously felt was right in the face of tremendous pressure shows character...whether some outsider thinks it was right or not!

[timmgirvan]

While you people are falling all over yourselves in defense of Hillary, God(yeah the Big Guy) help us if this country settles for her!

[post2post]

quality Dems to vote for listed below............





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but i do think they will win just b/c americans want a change.....and as voters you have that right...

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

Doesn't it say something about Hillary's electability when Obama, a relative unknown in terms of a federal-level record to run-on, is outpacing her in the polls?

Not really...the nice thing about being "new" is that you don't have a record to defend. He appeals to the same folks (like me) as Hillary so it sorta figures!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Bababooyee

No, he has a record to defend...just not one he made at the federal level. Most folks really have no idea what his polical philosophy is. He is young and speaks well in public. In contrast, you pretty much know what you get with Hillary.

On second thought, maybe that shows how messed up the electorate is...they choose style in an unknown over someone with an established record.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/flash_4.html
Just a little example of the extent Hillary and her attack dogs will go to save the Presidency for her grasp!

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

While you people are falling all over yourselves in defense of Hillary, God(yeah the Big Guy) help us if this country settles for her!

Yeah, cause the recent parade into the White House over the past few decades has been filled with such noble statesmen! What this country needs is more pandering to the rich and the bible-thumpers that evoke the name of the Almighty as some sort of talisman to ward off any point of view other than their own!

[timmgirvan]

Careful,Somer, all your socialist bs is coming out! Forgive me..I dared to say something negative about the most power mad,scheming shrew of a woman, since ah,well, Nancy Pelosi! Your Princess...I'm sorry Queen, has too much baggage to be a viable candidate, unless the MSM does the typical revisionist rewrite about her and her ilk! Selective memories...must be nice.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Careful,Somer, all your socialist bs is coming out! Forgive me..I dared to say something negative about the most power mad,scheming shrew of a woman, since ah,well, Nancy Pelosi! Your Princess...I'm sorry Queen, has too much baggage to be a viable candidate, unless the MSM does the typical revisionist rewrite about her and her ilk! Selective memories...must be nice.

Actually,too many males agree with this,and so she probably can't get elected.She can't get enough Southern males(like 15 out of 100 that will vote) to get any of the HEE HAW states that Bush got.Rudy is the best that Independents and Dems can hope for.McCain is not smart enough.I don't know why people are attracted to dumb guys (to lead.)I don't get that.Bush and McCain aren't as intelligent as the average American.They both got where they are by having important fathers n' grandfathers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3899f9fc5286.htm


F that. Give me somebody smarter.Hilary,and Rudy are the 2 smartest that will be available.

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

what people in the south dont vote..hmmm id say the northwest is least vote worthy sec of america..all those coffee shop hippys..they dont vote..most southerners are transplanted from up north..

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

what people in the south dont vote..hmmm id say the northwest is least vote worthy sec of america..all those coffee shop hippys..they dont vote..most southerners are transplanted from up north..

too wasted out on caffeine and grunge music to vote there. down south it's vote early and often, ala Chi-town. Just make sure you're not late for the early-bird special at the diner.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yeah, cause the recent parade into the White House over the past few decades has been filled with such noble statesmen! What this country needs is more pandering to the rich and the bible-thumpers that evoke the name of the Almighty as some sort of talisman to ward off any point of view other than their own!

Typical flamer rhetoric....the rich don't deserve their wealth and anyone who doesn't agree with us is mean-spirited! Do you actually proof before you post??

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Typical flamer rhetoric....the rich don't deserve their wealth and anyone who doesn't agree with us is mean-spirited! Do you actually proof before you post??

Timm, why don't you offer some specifics on exactly why you don't like Hilary, instead of just saying "God help us" if she's elected. I can give you specific things about Giuliani and McCain that I don't like, actions that they have taken while elected officials. Offer the same stuff on Hilary, please- which of her positions do you opposed? Otherwise you come across sounding as though you get your talking points from Rush Limbaugh, and he's not known for his journalistic integrity.

I gots news for ya, my friend- politicians are ALL power-mad schemers. It's how they get elected. I find it very sexist of you that you clearly consider that a negative thing in a woman but not a man.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, why don't you offer some specifics on exactly why you don't like Hilary, instead of just saying "God help us" if she's elected. I can give you specific things about Giuliani and McCain that I don't like, actions that they have taken while elected officials. Offer the same stuff on Hilary, please- which of her positions do you opposed? Otherwise you come across sounding as though you get your talking points from Rush Limbaugh, and he's not known for his journalistic integrity.

I gots news for ya, my friend- politicians are ALL power-mad schemers. It's how they get elected. I find it very sexist of you that you clearly consider that a negative thing in a woman but not a man.

GR: Let's do the last stuff first...you are projecting possibly..that I made a sexist remark about women in general, and Hillary in specific...I am not a sexist. I do not believe all people in politics are powermad,but I think Hillary is,and I think she started at a young age! I'm not lookin for Diogenes,here. Obama is untested completely, McCain is a possible nutjob,and Guilani is soft on everything but defense..his possible saving grace! As far as Hilary goes..she's legend as far as payback goes...I can get a list if you need it. Her healthcare plan was a giant mistake(14% gross national expense) Painted herself as a victim(horntoad for a husband)but went after anyone who dare crossed her and FOB. Grossly unqualified to be President...no experience with making or managing foreign policy. Great attack dog modus operendi for using her and Bubbas' staffs for slandering,and investigational techniques for possible political opponents(J.E.Hoover comes to mind) and don't forget the Clinton deathlist...it's out there...just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories...by the way...jet fuel burns at 1525...irons' integrity breaks down at 850....so much for "the govt did it" theory! If you'd like to discuss further..feel free...one last thing..Salon is JUST above commondreams as far as veracity goes! Cheers

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

GR: Let's do the last stuff first...you are projecting possibly..that I made a sexist remark about women in general, and Hillary in specific...I am not a sexist. I do not believe all people in politics are powermad,but I think Hillary is,and I think she started at a young age! I'm not lookin for Diogenes,here. Obama is untested completely, McCain is a possible nutjob,and Guilani is soft on everything but defense..his possible saving grace! As far as Hilary goes..she's legend as far as payback goes...I can get a list if you need it. Her healthcare plan was a giant mistake(14% gross national expense) Painted herself as a victim(horntoad for a husband)but went after anyone who dare crossed her and FOB. Grossly unqualified to be President...no experience with making or managing foreign policy. Great attack dog modus operendi for using her and Bubbas' staffs for slandering,and investigational techniques for possible political opponents(J.E.Hoover comes to mind) and don't forget the Clinton deathlist...it's out there...just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories...by the way...jet fuel burns at 1525...irons' integrity breaks down at 850....so much for "the govt did it" theory! If you'd like to discuss further..feel free...one last thing..Salon is JUST above commondreams as far as veracity goes! Cheers

Ah, specifics! Thank you. I have to get to work in about 5 minutes, but I'll start up-

Currently the US pays more, per person, in healthcare than any other industrialized nation, and our lifespan is lower and infant death rate higher than most any other industrialized nation. Health care needs reform. Yes, it would add a big cost to the government (14 percent is the number you quoted, and until I research myself I'll accept that as fair) BUT it would cut 20 percent from the cost of producing steel. The central reason jobs are going overseas is that they are cheaper overthere and the leading cause is healthcare. So, a 14 percent increase in domestic spending, versus a 20 percent decrease in cost of manufacturing. I'll take cutting the cost of manufacturing, myself, if it keeps jobs here.

Please cite me examples of when Hillary painted herself as a victim about her husband's infidelity. From what I read (including her very boring autobiography) she's spoken less about it than anyone else, including her husband. And regarding attacking the GOP-- they went after her husband for a sexual infidelity, and spent your money and mine in the process. What did you expect her to do? Sit back and watch her husband get slaughtered? I gave her props for coming out swinging (metaphorically in the fighting sense, not in the 1970's sense, which would have been VERY interesting) and taking control of what was, really, a stupid, stupid "crisis" instituted by the GOP.

She's been a Senator for six years and serves on the Armed Forces Committee- how does she have no experience with making or managing foreign policy? What was GW's experience with foreign policy prior to the White House? He was a governor, right? In the one of the states that gives little power to the governor (pgardn, correct me if I'm wrong here, please).

Yes, I would appreciate you posting Hillary's payback list, as you put it. Please do!

Okay, later 'gators (Cajun and otherwise)- gotta go work some more.

As for the sexism-- see the smiley- trying to make a point about unsubstantiated accusations, using the fact that you only pointed out women in politics as being powermad. It's easy to do, isn't it?

[hoovesupsideyourhead]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Timm, why don't you offer some specifics on exactly why you don't like Hilary, instead of just saying "God help us" if she's elected. I can give you specific things about Giuliani and McCain that I don't like, actions that they have taken while elected officials. Offer the same stuff on Hilary, please- which of her positions do you opposed? Otherwise you come across sounding as though you get your talking points from Rush Limbaugh, and he's not known for his journalistic integrity.

I gots news for ya, my friend- politicians are ALL power-mad schemers. It's how they get elected. I find it very sexist of you that you clearly consider that a negative thing in a woman but not a man.

she was already prez once....just ask bill..

[timmgirvan]

Hooves: thank you...thankyouverymuch!

Hillary is a doer. She personally called up many of the major employers in NY and met with them and asked how she could help them hire additional folks to expand business. What was and was not getting in the way. She did some amazing work with Corning. Talked with Union folks backed them down on certain criteria and basically made it easier to hire qualified folks that would help companies. She did an amazing job.

She is extraordinarily capable. Her health care plan was a plan. And the Republican plan... nowhere. She is the one Democrat with a definite ability to GET THINGS DONE. Now you might not like her ideas, but she has ideas. I also believe she has made many credible aquaintances with quality folks that can get jobs done. ONe thing George did a pitiful job of was picking people for what he thought were minor posts that were completely inept friends or political contributors. FEMA turned out not to be so minor. The list is deep.

I think she will pick good people in all spots. Loyality only goes so far, you have got to move competent people into place.

And I probably will not vote for her. Obama is a definite no. I see a great orator, and smart man... but my God he just has NO experience.

Mean people with experience also can get jobs done. Abraham L. put some of his most ardent enemies into major posts because he knew they were terribly capable at things that he needed them for. I know politics does not work this way anymore, and it is sad. CAPABLE people may be better than people who talk YOUR game, but cannot get things done.

[Cajungator26]

Nick Saban for president!

J/K

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

Typical flamer rhetoric....the rich don't deserve their wealth and anyone who doesn't agree with us is mean-spirited! Do you actually proof before you post??

I'm not the one who evoked the Almighty as a talisman!

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

I'm not the one who evoked the Almighty as a talisman!

The delusion of God being a talisman says it all!