Met Steve Crist yesterday

Scuds hes not a handicapper. hes a guy who has devoted his life to the business and is responsible for some great things that we have now. He loves the game, and he understands all angles of it.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by oracle80

Scuds hes not a handicapper. hes a guy who has devoted his life to the business and is responsible for some great things that we have now. He loves the game, and he understands all angles of it.

He makes bucks off of the handicapper.I didn't say he is an awful person(simply a common parasite.)It is not that complicated an issue.You have a host stupid enough to support a parasite.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

He makes bucks off of the handicapper.I didn't say he is an awful person(simply a common parasite.)It is not that complicated an issue.You have a host stupid enough to support a parasite.

Scuds--my question to you is this...what is wrong with Crist making money off of the bettor? I do not understand why that is so wrong. He makes a product and we buy it. It is no different from someone buying anything. I make money from young people, old people, people who do not have alot of money but understand the importance of maintaining your car. Heck, any of us can change oil. Just go to the local Wal Mart--gets 5 quarts and an oil filter. You can do that for less than $15. Heck, there are people who make fantasy football magazine and people buy them to get the information that they can get for free. It is a business, a transfer of money. I dont understand why it is wrong to sell something if you have found a market.

[Gander]

Maybe I am just completely nuts but one of the best things about horse racing to me is buying Saturday's drf on a Friday morning and sitting down with a hot cup of coffee and a few glazed donuts and getting to work.

Its the only newspaper I read, the only other sport I like more is baseball and for that I watch ESPN's baseball tonight and at least one game per night.

I dont see saving $4 buy not buying a drf is going to suddenly improve my life leaps and bounds. And I could give 2 ****-s who I make rich by buying it. It makes me happy and thats all I care about.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

Scuds--my question to you is this...what is wrong with Crist making money off of the bettor? I do not understand why that is so wrong. He makes a product and we buy it. It is no different from someone buying anything. I make money from young people, old people, people who do not have alot of money but understand the importance of maintaining your car. Heck, any of us can change oil. Just go to the local Wal Mart--gets 5 quarts and an oil filter. You can do that for less than $15. Heck, there are people who make fantasy football magazine and people buy them to get the information that they can get for free. It is a business, a transfer of money. I dont understand why it is wrong to sell something if you have found a market.

They sell themselves as expert handicappers(but can't make a living off of handicapping...they can only make a living by being parasites that gorge on other handicappers.)Do they sell "just past performances" as you're walking out of the track,or are you forced to buy a whole DRF (IF YOU WANT PAST PERFORMANCES?)How many years have they forced people to buy a whole racing form(just to pay these parasites,)instead of just selling the necessary past performances?

[2MinsToPost]

yeah it costs $1 to download and then if you make one wager on that track it is returned, however, if you print it it costs how much in ink cartridges?

I agree with Tim, I get more enjoymment personally picking up the DRF the day before and pulling out my Zebra F-301 pen and getting to work. I made the mistake once of printing off a full card and moments later had to spend $15 for a new cartridge.

Originally Posted by 2MinsToPost

yeah it costs $1 to download and then if you make one wager on that track it is returned, however, if you print it it costs how much in ink cartridges?

I agree with Tim, I get more enjoymment personally picking up the DRF the day before and pulling out my Zebra F-301 pen and getting to work. I made the mistake once of printing off a full card and moments later had to spend $15 for a new cartridge.

The cost of printing out 4-5 tracks is WAY more than buying a DRF. I mean its an entire ink cartridge to do that. The DRF is cheaper to buy.

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by oracle80

The cost of printing out 4-5 tracks is WAY more than buying a DRF. I mean its an entire ink cartridge to do that. The DRF is cheaper to buy.

Well,if you can feel comfortable with playing 4 or 5 different tracks a day,then I guess buying a whole drf would be the way to go.Most cappers(including myself)play one or two tracks a day.I only play four or five if I go to Vegas.As people are walking out of the track,why don't they have the option to just pay a buck to get the past performances of the track they want to play the following day?If these guys are so into helping the handicapper,lets see if that improvement is ever encouraged by these parasites.Don't count on it.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They sell themselves as expert handicappers(but can't make a living off of handicapping...they can only make a living by being parasites that gorge on other handicappers.)Do they sell "just past performances" as you're walking out of the track,or are you forced to buy a whole DRF (IF YOU WANT PAST PERFORMANCES?)How many years have they forced people to buy a whole racing form(just to pay these parasites,)instead of just selling the necessary past performances?

There is more to the DRF that past performances. There are articles, op-ed columns, stats on tracks, up-coming races etc etc. I dont think you buy the DRF for the "expert handicapping" you buy the DRF for the articles and past performances.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

They sell themselves as expert handicappers(but can't make a living off of handicapping...they can only make a living by being parasites that gorge on other handicappers.)Do they sell "just past performances" as you're walking out of the track,or are you forced to buy a whole DRF (IF YOU WANT PAST PERFORMANCES?)How many years have they forced people to buy a whole racing form(just to pay these parasites,)instead of just selling the necessary past performances?

And what would you sell the past performances for? Let me ask you this question would you buy the past performances only for $6 or the entire DRF for $4 or $5?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by eurobounce

And what would you sell the past performances for? Let me ask you this question would you buy the past performances only for $6 or the entire DRF for $4 or $5?

The thing is that I want to be able to pay for the past performances without paying for these parasites' writings,picks,and opinions.I don't care to pay for their trip to Saratoga etc.Those addicted to paying them should have that option,but not everybody should be made to help pay these parasites their checks.

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The thing is that I want to be able to pay for the past performances without paying for these parasites' writings,picks,and opinions.I don't care to pay for their trip to Saratoga etc.Those addicted to paying them should have that option,but not everybody should be made to help pay these parasites their checks.

Scuds there is a lot of info in there in articles and workouts,etc that is well worth the cost of the DRF. In addition the cost of the damn ink cartridges outweighs any "savings" you get from not buying it.

[Cajungator26]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The thing is that I want to be able to pay for the past performances without paying for these parasites' writings,picks,and opinions.I don't care to pay for their trip to Saratoga etc.Those addicted to paying them should have that option,but not everybody should be made to help pay these parasites their checks.

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Heavens...

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The thing is that I want to be able to pay for the past performances without paying for these parasites' writings,picks,and opinions.I don't care to pay for their trip to Saratoga etc.Those addicted to paying them should have that option,but not everybody should be made to help pay these parasites their checks.

Awww you want consumer options--boy wouldnt that be nice. I would love to have the option of paying less for smaller portion of foods. I would love the option of paying for the Sports Page only and not have to pay for the Arts and Leisure Section. I bet my customers would love to have the option of only paying for the oil instead of the oil disposal fee. Think of it this way Scuds, it is probably cheaper to produce and to sell the entire DRF instead of breaking it up in sections.

[Bystander]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

The thing is that I want to be able to pay for the past performances without paying for these parasites' writings,picks,and opinions.I don't care to pay for their trip to Saratoga etc.Those addicted to paying them should have that option,but not everybody should be made to help pay these parasites their checks.

This is amazing reading. I might even pay for it.

So basically you don't want to pay to read any industry news, breaking news, hear where certain horses are pointing, changes to stakes schedules, international news... let alone columns on handicapping or breeding?
I guess that's your perogative, but tell me... what does that imply to the reader here about your thoughts on the New York Times, Washington Post, even USA Today?
The Daily Racing Form is a place to get pps, but it's also an industry newspaper. If you don't want that, download the cards. You obviously have a computer.
But then again, I'm addicted to paying Crist's way.