Uh Oh

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

Here we go. I'm not worried. I'm fixin' to be raptured.
Here, all the while I was questioning my sanity.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...535310,00.html

My guess is that Jack Van Empe has been right all the while. Revelation coming. Glory be! Finally Armeggedon!
Who ever said it wasn't worth waiting for?

Wayne....the fact that you post a link from that website is mindboggling. The Sunday Times is yellow journalism at its worse.

Perhaps the National Inquirer next time?

[GenuineRisk]

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

"[T]he heart of the Christian religion, all that is good and compassionate within it, has been tossed aside, ruthlessly gouged out and thrown into a heap with all the other inner organs. Only the shell, the form, remains.

Truer words have never been spoken...

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by T3B

"[T]he heart of the Christian religion, all that is good and compassionate within it, has been tossed aside, ruthlessly gouged out and thrown into a heap with all the other inner organs. Only the shell, the form, remains.

Truer words have never been spoken...

And this is why you're the bee's knees, Kev.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

And this is why you're the bee's knees, Kev.

Bees have knees???

anyways...love the way he ends the interview..

"I wouldn't describe myself as particularly pious but I certainly would describe myself as religious. And when I see how these people are manipulating the Christian religion for personal empowerment and wealth and for the destruction of the very values that I think are embodied in the teachings of Jesus Christ, I'm angry."

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by T3B

Bees have knees??? [/u][/b]

From Wikipedia:
The phrase "the bee's knees", meaning "the height of excellence", became popular in the U.S. in the 1920s, along with "the cat's whiskers" (possibly from the use of these in radio crystal sets), "the cat's pajamas" (pajamas were still new enough to be daring), and similar phrases that didn't endure: "the eel's ankle", "the elephant's instep", "the snake's hip" and "the capybara's spats".

From another site:
The exact origin of "bee's knees" remains a topic of debate, but there is wide-spread agreement that the phrase first appeared in North America during the 1920s. Some interesting theories are listed below.

1. Bees carry pollen back to the hive in sacs on their legs. The allusion is to the concentrated goodness to be found around the bee's knee. (extract from the Phrase Finder).
2. The expression was coined in the 1920s by an American cartoonist named Tad Dorgan, who also graced the language with such corny superlatives as "the cat's pajamas" and less durable ones such as the "the flea's eyebrows" and - a real clunker - "the canary's tusks." Dorgan also came up with: "Yes, we have no bananas." I've long been puzzled why, to this day, the bee's knees expression has maintained a certain currency in Britain, something it has not had for decades in the United States. The thought occurs that perhaps, more than half a century on, it's a still lingering cultural artifact from the American occupation of the south of England in the lead-up to D-Day. (extract from the Guardian's Notes and Queries site, article by Dave Todd)
3. It's one of a set of nonsense catchphrases that originated in North America in the 1920s, the period of the flappers, nearly all of which compared some thing of excellent quality to a part of an animal. (extract from Michael Quinon's World Wide Words).
4. I think the idea is that on a bee, knees are strictly a luxury. The phrase originated in 1920s U.S. slang, which had a whole slue of such phrases: "the eel's ankle", "the flea's eyebrows", "the clam's garter", "the snake's hips", "the elephant's instep", "the kipper's knickers", "the cat's pyjamas", "the canary's tusks", "the sardine's whiskers". The fact that "the bee's knees" rhymes may have assisted its survival. (extract from the aue archives, article by Mark Israel)original article
5. The bee's knees is actually a development from something that was originally stated as "The be all and the end all of everything." this being rather long, was shortened to "the B's and E's" which eventually became "the bee's knees" (extract from the Guardian's Notes and Queries site, article by "Ogins")
6. My _Dictionary of American Slang_ says "bee's knees" was a fad started c1924. Like some Chinese menus, pick one from column A and one from column B... (extract from the aue archives, article by Robert Keller)original article
7. ...[the] _bee's knees_ may be a humorous pronunciation of _business_. I have seen this offered as a genuine derivation and it seems as plausible as the current favourite for _OK_. (from the aue archives, article by S. Z. Hanley)original article


See, that's you, Kev! "Concentrated goodness."

[GenuineRisk]

I think the most fascinating, and upsetting part of the article was the author's discussion on the loss of a sense of community, and how that can be very instrumental in a rise of totalitarianism.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

From Wikipedia:
The phrase "the bee's knees", meaning "the height of excellence", became popular in the U.S. in the 1920s, along with "the cat's whiskers" (possibly from the use of these in radio crystal sets), "the cat's pajamas" (pajamas were still new enough to be daring), and similar phrases that didn't endure: "the eel's ankle", "the elephant's instep", "the snake's hip" and "the capybara's spats".

From another site:
The exact origin of "bee's knees" remains a topic of debate, but there is wide-spread agreement that the phrase first appeared in North America during the 1920s. Some interesting theories are listed below.

1. Bees carry pollen back to the hive in sacs on their legs. The allusion is to the concentrated goodness to be found around the bee's knee. (extract from the Phrase Finder).
2. The expression was coined in the 1920s by an American cartoonist named Tad Dorgan, who also graced the language with such corny superlatives as "the cat's pajamas" and less durable ones such as the "the flea's eyebrows" and - a real clunker - "the canary's tusks." Dorgan also came up with: "Yes, we have no bananas." I've long been puzzled why, to this day, the bee's knees expression has maintained a certain currency in Britain, something it has not had for decades in the United States. The thought occurs that perhaps, more than half a century on, it's a still lingering cultural artifact from the American occupation of the south of England in the lead-up to D-Day. (extract from the Guardian's Notes and Queries site, article by Dave Todd)
3. It's one of a set of nonsense catchphrases that originated in North America in the 1920s, the period of the flappers, nearly all of which compared some thing of excellent quality to a part of an animal. (extract from Michael Quinon's World Wide Words).
4. I think the idea is that on a bee, knees are strictly a luxury. The phrase originated in 1920s U.S. slang, which had a whole slue of such phrases: "the eel's ankle", "the flea's eyebrows", "the clam's garter", "the snake's hips", "the elephant's instep", "the kipper's knickers", "the cat's pyjamas", "the canary's tusks", "the sardine's whiskers". The fact that "the bee's knees" rhymes may have assisted its survival. (extract from the aue archives, article by Mark Israel)original article
5. The bee's knees is actually a development from something that was originally stated as "The be all and the end all of everything." this being rather long, was shortened to "the B's and E's" which eventually became "the bee's knees" (extract from the Guardian's Notes and Queries site, article by "Ogins")
6. My _Dictionary of American Slang_ says "bee's knees" was a fad started c1924. Like some Chinese menus, pick one from column A and one from column B... (extract from the aue archives, article by Robert Keller)original article
7. ...[the] _bee's knees_ may be a humorous pronunciation of _business_. I have seen this offered as a genuine derivation and it seems as plausible as the current favourite for _OK_. (from the aue archives, article by S. Z. Hanley)original article


See, that's you, Kev! "Concentrated goodness."

thanks doll....think the world of you too

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by T3B

Bees have knees???

anyways...love the way he ends the interview..

"I wouldn't describe myself as particularly pious but I certainly would describe myself as religious. And when I see how these people are manipulating the Christian religion for personal empowerment and wealth and for the destruction of the very values that I think are embodied in the teachings of Jesus Christ, I'm angry."

Well Kev,
I'm not religious, but other than that, I agree.
Look what I started. OOPS!

[Downthestretch55]

Interesting article Genuine Risk.
I'll say that I believe in the teachings of Jesus.
I wish those that corrupt his words to serve their own purposes would listen to Him rather than "spin".
DTS

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

thanks for posting that link, i just finished reading it. might have to buy that book and read more from that guy.

[timmgirvan]

We're having a takeover by the Chistian Right?? Judging by the mid-term elections...I'd say it's not likely soon! There is SO much wrong with this story! Another hit piece on those dastardly Christians! FYI..the Dominion people have it skewed in many ways..principally that one can order God to keep true to His promises to the delight of the righteous!...That AIN'T how it works! There are charlatans in every line of work...funny how preachers and polititians come so readily to mind. I can't count the number of factions in the Christian faith...but getting them all together reminds me of the story about 'herding cats'. The writer is pretty mixed up to me. Accomplished as a reporter,but his tying regimes such as Hitler and Mussolini to the Christian movement is ludicrous at best....unless you're looking for some reason not to check out your reason for being on this planet! I don't support the Faith movement as such, nor the Name it/claim it clan or Benny Hinn and his voodoo! This writer went to Harvard Divinity School....In my 'neck of the woods' we call seminaries "cemetary's" because they usually kill your faith! Hopefully, most of you won't swallow this man's brew!

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

We're having a takeover by the Chistian Right?? Judging by the mid-term elections...I'd say it's not likely soon! There is SO much wrong with this story! Another hit piece on those dastardly Christians! FYI..the Dominion people have it skewed in many ways..principally that one can order God to keep true to His promises to the delight of the righteous!...That AIN'T how it works! There are charlatans in every line of work...funny how preachers and polititians come so readily to mind. I can't count the number of factions in the Christian faith...but getting them all together reminds me of the story about 'herding cats'. The writer is pretty mixed up to me. Accomplished as a reporter,but his tying regimes such as Hitler and Mussolini to the Christian movement is ludicrous at best....unless you're looking for some reason not to check out your reason for being on this planet! I don't support the Faith movement as such, nor the Name it/claim it clan or Benny Hinn and his voodoo! This writer went to Harvard Divinity School....In my 'neck of the woods' we call seminaries "cemetary's" because they usually kill your faith! Hopefully, most of you won't swallow this man's brew!

Breathe, Timm, breathe. The Religious Right is not your average Christian; I'd certainly not consider you part of it, for example. This guy is not attacking Christianity- read his final sentence, for the love of Pete. But a well-financed, well-organized minority can accomplish quite a lot, and I think that's what he's warning about. As he says, the Albanians didn't think it could ever happen there, either.

Being of the female persuasion, I am not a fan of any religious movement pushing for power in the government, since most of those religions seem to also advocate women being barefoot and pregnant. And it's a secular nation that best protects everyone's opportunity to worship as they wish.

My father got his Master's at a seminary- he told me the seminary's philosophy was that it did everything it could to persuade the students that Christ was not the Son of God, because if, after all the evidence to the contrary, the seminary student still believed in Christ's divinity, then that student was of the right stuff to be a minister. Doubt is an intrinsic part of faith-- if something was certain, it wouldn't require faith. I don't need to have faith that 2+2=4. It does. Belief in God requires faith. It's not wrong for a seminary to address doubt. It's part of the journey.

Faith without doubt leads one to believe that, oh, God is talking to one, and saying that He wants one to be President. And we see how well that works out. Bush could do with a little doubt, if you ask me. It's humbling.

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Speaking of other folk looking towards the rapture, here's a really interesting interview with a guy who wrote a book on the Religious Right's political ambitions:

http://salon.com/books/feature/2007/01/08/fascism/

The book, from what I can tell, is highly critical of the movement's leaders, but not the rank-and-file. Still makes me very nervous. What are your guys' thoughts?

GR,
I was talking about this link, not the psychology today one.
DTS

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

GR,
I was talking about this link, not the psychology today one.
DTS

D'oh! I get all confuggeeeooo sometimes.... sorry!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

D'oh! I get all confuggeeeooo sometimes.... sorry!

LOL...no sorry necessary. Heck, I was confused before I finally came to my senses.
Sanity rhymes with Hannity.
Any advice on my "cheerleader look"? Any female advice is much appreciated.

[timmgirvan]

Originally Posted by Downthestretch55

LOL...no sorry necessary. Heck, I was confused before I finally came to my senses.
Sanity rhymes with Hannity.
Any advice on my "cheerleader look"? Any female advice is much appreciated.

I wish you'd go back to your insanity...you made more sense then!

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I wish you'd go back to your insanity...you made more sense then!

I second that. that's my bit of female advice. haven't responded to any posts by you lately, dts. have no idea what you're talking about!

[Downthestretch55]

Originally Posted by timmgirvan

I wish you'd go back to your insanity...you made more sense then!

Timm,
I guess I should have been less "tongue in cheek". I tried to provide some couched "humor" in my I finally came to my senses thread. That's where the "cheerleader" thing got started. As you might remember, there was a guy that was a great cheerleader at Andover in his younger days.
The reality is that I've studied insanity for a while now. Don't worry about my sanity.
During the winter of 1945, another leader that many believed would lead their nation to world domination and refused to see the folly of his actions, continued to send young boys and old men to fight against the opponents that his action had provoked. They were instructed to never surrender and that their cause was just. The coward that gave the orders hid in his bunker with the few remaining "yes men" that continued to trust his insanity would lead to a positive result. By then, he had tried his own "surge" through the forest of Arden. He also wasted the lives of those that served in his military, beyond the point of admitting that further deaths were futile.
You might want to read about it. I'll post the Fox news link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155820,00.html

Those that ignore the lessons of history are condemned to repeat them.
We all know how it worked out for the "leader" in the 1940's.

It's time to recognize insanity for exactly what it is, another "surge"...yeah right!

DTS

Originally Posted by T3B

Wayne....the fact that you post a link from that website is mindboggling. The Sunday Times is yellow journalism at its worse.

Perhaps the National Inquirer next time?

What's really mindboggling is he probably got it from drudgereport since it was posted there in big red letters a few hours earlier. Maybe DTS is a closeted republican.