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[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a question...

Are you all going to diss me this bad when I become a jockey? LOL.

That depends on whether you are going to become a spoiled, whining, primadonna who expects everyone else to pay for your insurance.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

I expect to win enough to pay for my own insurance, and, if I'm not near the rider that everyone else thinks that I can be, then I'll quit and go to vet school (which I plan on doing anyway after I've ridden for 5-10 years).

I just want to be around the horses for awhile. It's what I love to do, and my heart is sick from not being able to ride.

[kentuckyrosesinmay]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

That depends on whether you are going to become a spoiled, whining, primadonna who expects everyone else to pay for your insurance.

I have a question Jfeld...What did these jockeys ever do to you?

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by kentuckyrosesinmay

I have a question Jfeld...What did these jockeys ever do to you?

I don't like whining, spoiled, primadonnas who expect others to pay for their own insurance. I suggest you look up the definition of INDEPENDANT CONTRACTOR and then compare that to what the jockey's guild is trying to extort from the industry. Perhaps then you will understand my ire.

I don't respect anyone who empowers totally unqualified clowns to represent them, then choose to blame everyone else except themselves when their leadership they so passionately endorsed is exposed as totally fraudulent.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

I don't like whining, spoiled, primadonnas who expect others to pay for their own insurance. I suggest you look up the definition of INDEPENDANT CONTRACTOR and then compare that to what the jockey's guild is trying to extort from the industry. Perhaps then you will understand my ire.

I don't respect anyone who empowers totally unqualified clowns to represent them, then choose to blame everyone else except themselves when their leadership they so passionately endorsed is exposed as totally fraudulent.

I'm with you.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

I don't like whining, spoiled, primadonnas who expect others to pay for their own insurance. I suggest you look up the definition of INDEPENDANT CONTRACTOR and then compare that to what the jockey's guild is trying to extort from the industry. Perhaps then you will understand my ire.

I don't respect anyone who empowers totally unqualified clowns to represent them, then choose to blame everyone else except themselves when their leadership they so passionately endorsed is exposed as totally fraudulent.

Your post and a bunch of others on this thread must be the result of a poor ride or a better ride that beat you.

Recent rider recipients of your ire and others include Smith, Sutherland, Garcia, Bridgmohan, Dominguez, Lopez, etc, etc....

Fact is take any of these riders and put them on a lesser circuit and they are top 5 jocks or better. Conversely, take Emigh out of Chicago or Cruz out of So Florida and put them at Aqueduct and see if they can even make the top 15. They won't.

More to the point, see how they LOOK riding a bunch of second and third tier horses. They'll look awful. Good horses make riders look good.

I remember being six years old at the racetrack and hearing people blame losses on jockeys. I didn't understand it then, I still don't.

[JJP]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

Your post and a bunch of others on this thread must be the result of a poor ride or a better ride that beat you.

Recent rider recipients of your ire and others include Smith, Sutherland, Garcia, Bridgmohan, Dominguez, Lopez, etc, etc....

Fact is take any of these riders and put them on a lesser circuit and they are top 5 jocks or better. Conversely, take Emigh out of Chicago or Cruz out of So Florida and put them at Aqueduct and see if they can even make the top 15. They won't.

More to the point, see how they LOOK riding a bunch of second and third tier horses. They'll look awful. Good horses make riders look good.

I remember being six years old at the racetrack and hearing people blame losses on jockeys. I didn't understand it then, I still don't.

I guarantee you Emigh or Cruz would have no problem making Aqu's top 10, let alone top 15. In the winter, they'd probably be in the top 5.

[Sightseek]

Are there programs for the other employees, like grooms, hotwalkers and exercise workers to be insured or would they fall under their trainer's employers policy (if they have them?) in case of injury by a kick or something like that?

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

I remember being six years old at the racetrack and hearing people blame losses on jockeys. I didn't understand it then, I still don't.

Well,I see jocks blow rides (and cost people money) all the time.What is hard to understand about somebody being upset about it? How is it that these people are somehow immune from their job performance being judged? Sure,most horses lose because they weren't good enough.I also see races where 2 horses have about the same amount of run,and the one who gets the 1st place check is the one who gets the the better ride.Not every race has one horse who is simply better(which is pretty much the argument made when people say riders don't matter.)The only reason why somebody shouldn't complain (about a blown ride) is because it won't change the results.You could argue it is a waste of energy.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

My advice...



Stop blaming your losses on the jockey insurance issue.

My commentary on the riders you have so eloquently spoken about has absolutely nothing do do with gambling on them. It is solely regarding their riding ability, and their attitudes.

If you choose to endorse the cause of the little gnomes then that is your perrogative, however it is quite ignorant of you to assume that my statement that the named riders are incapable of performing their jobs and my assertion that as independant contractors they have no business extorting anything from the industry from which they as a group are already grossly overpaid is in any way related to gambling on them.

[SentToStud]

Originally Posted by Jfeld

My commentary on the riders you have so eloquently spoken about has absolutely nothing do do with gambling on them. It is solely regarding their riding ability, and their attitudes.

If you choose to endorse the cause of the little gnomes then that is your perrogative, however it is quite ignorant of you to assume that my statement that the named riders are incapable of performing their jobs and my assertion that as independant contractors they have no business extorting anything from the industry from which they as a group are already grossly overpaid is in any way related to gambling on them then you are as foolish as your avatar suggests you are.

ok, i'll nibble on the bait.

1. You're wrong about their abilities. Their abilities are relative to the competition. Take any of those riders and put them on a lesser circuit, they rise to the top. Fact. Smith, Martin, Lopez, etc... You tell me different.


4. You say jockeys as a group are overpaid. Really? The median earnings for a jockey in 2004 were:
a. $500,000
b. $150,000
c. $15,000
hint, it's not a or b.

5. You refer to jockeys as gnomes. I assume you know what a gnome is. It's distasteful.

6. You refer to the jockeys' efforts at bargaining for coverage as extortion. Whether I support increased coverage for jockeys is less relevant than you referring to those efforts as extortion. How is it extortion?

7. Stop blaming jockeys, ok, stop blaming Mike Smith for losses. If you know anything you certainly know that you've won as many races as result of a bad ride as you've lost. It evens out.

Good luck.

[GinaIsWild]

Originally Posted by SentToStud

ok, i'll nibble on the bait.

1. You're wrong about their abilities. Their abilities are relative to the competition. Take any of those riders and put them on a lesser circuit, they rise to the top. Fact. Smith, Martin, Lopez, etc... You tell me different.

4. You say jockeys as a group are overpaid. Really? The median earnings for a jockey in 2004 were:
a. $500,000
b. $150,000
c. $15,000
hint, it's not a or b.

5. You refer to jockeys as gnomes. I assume you know what a gnome is. It's distasteful.

6. You refer to the jockeys' efforts at bargaining for coverage as extortion. Whether I support increased coverage for jockeys is less relevant than you referring to those efforts as extortion. How is it extortion?

7. Stop blaming jockeys, ok, stop blaming Mike Smith for losses. If you know anything you certainly know that you've won as many races as result of a bad ride as you've lost. It evens out.

Good luck.

. Your points 1-7 above are completely offbase and without merit of any kind. The Fact is, they ARE responsible for their own insurance, and 99% of them, if they were 2 inches taller would be selling french fries for a living. And by the way, GNOME is right on point.