Forte Hopeful med overage reporting

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

A moronic nonevent "pico scandal" that does absolutely nothing to deal with a genuine problem, Repo Rocks is the problem. Pletch's attorney will have a field day with this crap, which is the problem in part. I could "Rollo" this drivel; I am not a lawyer. Telling "A" true story is not telling "The" true story. IMO, this is all about trying to gin up support for HISA, especially when I see hacks like Ellis Starr employed to ferry the message.

I don’t know Freddy. What is she going to have a field day with? Everything that comes out makes them look worse and it goes against the comments she’s made.

All of this to avoid saying, “We messed up, the buck stops with me and we will be better going forward.”

What is the end game here? The damage has been done. Can’t put the toothpaste back in the tube.

[Kitan]

Banned for 10 days and presumably can run horses in his assistant's name. What a punishment!

Two jockeys in HK just got banned for 10 & 12 months for playing a part in having a bet in one race. They don't play there when it comes to integrity.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Banned for 10 days and presumably can run horses in his assistant's name. What a punishment!

Two jockeys in HK just got banned for 10 & 12 months for playing a part in having a bet in one race. They don't play there when it comes to integrity.

What is a fair punishment in your opinion for a small bute overage?

Firing line or guillotine?

[moses]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

What is a fair punishment in your opinion for a small bute overage?

Firing line or guillotine?

Racing should outsource the punishment determination to an entity in Hong Kong.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by moses

Racing should outsource the punishment determination to an entity in Hong Kong.

Even better!

[Kitan]

Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.

[moses]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.

Steve was touching on this early today (I didn’t catch the entire show) but there needs to be a distinction between therapeutic medication overages (TMOs - copyright Steve Byk) and banned substances. If it’s a positive test for a TMO, the penalty should be significantly less than for a banned substance.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.

I’ll ask again and maybe you can step off your soapbox to answer….what kind of punishment do you feel is fair for a small overage of bute?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Over your heads, the both of you. The point is what kind of deterrent is it when (i) all he gets is 10 days for the one time he's caught, and (ii) the horses can still run. It's a slap on the wrist to him and a slap in the face of horseplayers.

Picogate? Have a heart...This **** is so stupid. TAP doesn't even use this stuff? Was it detected in the horse's blood twice? Yes! how did a minuscule amount find its way into the horse? Who knows? What do you want to do? Fine the guy 250k for what he doesn't even administer the stuff. Do you want to ban all therapeutic drugs? How the heck will the horses heal? Do you want them in pain after they twitch an ankle or get kicked in a race, or have a quarter crack? They get hurt like all athletes. Do you think Spieth didn't get a shot of cortisone or some other antiinflammatory med?