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![]() I wasn’t referring to any specific horse. Just the idea of trying to figure out a norm for something that they’ve never done.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() "Never done" the Brooklyn and Belmont have been run on the same card for a while? They made fig based on an educated opinion of what made sense. I don't know if the fig is right or wrong, and neither do they. Beyer said on Byk's show they feel ok with the number and it's "cut loose." There was no chance it would be what the raw times suggested it should be, and I am not saying it should or should've been "created." But, they did what they thought accurately represented the race to the public. It is just an interesting racing discussion, nothing more, nothing less.
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![]() I agree with all you just said. I think maybe you misunderstood what I meant by never done. I’m strictly talking about the Belmont horses. None of them had ever run 12f before.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |
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![]() The last horse I remember that had already run 12F before running in the Belmont was Great Contractor in 1976 ( he finished second or third behind Bold Forbes along with McKenzie Bridge ). He had faced olders on turf in Florida in April I think.
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Just more nebulous nonsense from BBB |
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However, technically he only ran in part of the Belmont Stakes as he was a DNF. He did improve in 2 more starts at the Belmont meet when switched back to the turf. He was able to complete both the Lexington and an allowance race, finishing last in both. It all came together for him 3 years later when he won he won his first race in the US, a first condition allowance race at Hollywood Park as a 6yo. More evidence that racehorses retire way too soon... |