Uvalde ~ Remember your child in 4th Grade? Or your 4th Grade teacher?

[Dahoss]

You know I love you Freddy but after the 4th or 5th sapphire step away from the computer.

Im not trying to take your guns. Im not suggesting you can’t own one or however
many you want.

I’m suggesting there should be some sort of background check done. I’m suggesting there should be a wait time from the time you attempt to buy a gun to when you actually obtain it. I’m suggesting you should have to register it.

If you’re a law abiding citizen these should be easy. What exactly is the downside to any of these things?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You know I love you Freddy but after the 4th or 5th sapphire step away from the computer.

Im not trying to take your guns. Im not suggesting you can’t own one or however
many you want.

I’m suggesting there should be some sort of background check done. I’m suggesting there should be a wait time from the time you attempt to buy a gun to when you actually obtain it. I’m suggesting you should have to register it.

If you’re a law abiding citizen these should be easy. What exactly is the downside to any of these things?

Only 2 bottle of 2016 Mouton that said there is a wait time they send your documents to NICS after you applied for a license and received it with a signature from the police chief in your town on a fingerprinted license. It's a pain in the ass. You just have to understand this is not like going to buy a couch, it id=snt nor should it be.the Mouton was great

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Only 2 bottle of 2016 Mouton that said there is a wait time they send your documents to NICS after you applied for a license and received it with a signature from the police chief in your town on a fingerprinted license. It's a pain in the ass. You just have to understand this is not like going to buy a couch, it id=snt nor should it be.the Mouton was great

What type of license are you talking about? I could literally go buy a gun right now

[hi_im_god]

America has many problems. A lack of access to arms isn’t one.

[freddymo]

In NJ you have to purchase a firearms license. You have to go to the police station, you have to fill out a comprehensive series of documents, you have to get your fingers prints, you have to send a mental health survey to 3 NON-family members that certify your being, at which time after all the documents are received in good standing, the police chief in the jurisdiction evaluates the applications and certify's that you are eligible to own a firearm. Now after you have that card which documents who you are where you live etc. you can go to a dealer and purchase a long gun, not to be confused with a pistol...Pistols are a WAY different process. If you want a handgun you have to apply separately and only 3 permits are issued per request(for 90 days). Now if you want an "assault rifle" the definition of which I have no FN clue FYI do you really think a criminal gives a rat's ass about the laws? My handguns (I have several) can not have more than 10 rounds, do you really think a criminal gives a rat's ass about how many rounds are in his gun? I am going to stick up or carjack Jay but I better only have 10 rds in my Glock? lol

Evil sick demented people kill their grandmother and slaughter children...It's not the gun, or knife or ovens they gas you in it's just sick people... Our government drones people to death sometimes they kill the "bad" guy sometimes they kill the bad guy and a couple of innocent people that happen to be in the way. It is all demented

[Dahoss]

Dare I say this country would be better if every state was like New Jersey?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Dare I say this country would be better if every state was like New Jersey?

New Jersey’s distinction as the safest state in the U.S. in our rankings is in large part due to its runaway score in the law enforcement officers per capita category, which is over 100% greater than the national average.

[freddymo]

Defund the Police

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

In NJ you have to purchase a firearms license. You have to go to the police station, you have to fill out a comprehensive series of documents, you have to get your fingers prints, you have to send a mental health survey to 3 NON-family members that certify your being, at which time after all the documents are received in good standing, the police chief in the jurisdiction evaluates the applications and certify's that you are eligible to own a firearm. Now after you have that card which documents who you are where you live etc. you can go to a dealer and purchase a long gun, not to be confused with a pistol...Pistols are a WAY different process. If you want a handgun you have to apply separately and only 3 permits are issued per request(for 90 days). Now if you want an "assault rifle" the definition of which I have no FN clue FYI do you really think a criminal gives a rat's ass about the laws? My handguns (I have several) can not have more than 10 rounds, do you really think a criminal gives a rat's ass about how many rounds are in his gun? I am going to stick up or carjack Jay but I better only have 10 rds in my Glock? lol

Evil sick demented people kill their grandmother and slaughter children...It's not the gun, or knife or ovens they gas you in it's just sick people... Our government drones people to death sometimes they kill the "bad" guy sometimes they kill the bad guy and a couple of innocent people that happen to be in the way. It is all demented

Or you can go to a Gun Show in PA and buy from a Private seller.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by jms62

Or you can go to a Gun Show in PA and buy from a Private seller.

Why bother going to Pa if you arent going to be compliant with laws? Just buy a gun on the street. As you are aware the cities that have the most strict regulations on guns have the highest incidents of gun violence. Australia has more guns in the country today after they banned them. You don't have to like the second amendment you just have to either leave the country to the one you like better or amend the constitution. Criminals are going to be criminals and I am not asking nor do I care how anyone feels about how I deem it appropriate to exercise my god-given rights to arm myself.

[Merlinsky]

No, Freddy. *Human beings* kill their grandmother (although this shooter's grandmother is still alive) and slaughter children. Not monsters. People. People we work and go to school with. It's a cop-out to act like he's an other because 1) it dodges the point that this is a bigger problem and 2) it makes it easy to act like it's done and not anything we need to take responsibility for societally in preventing. Dehumanizing the shooter just makes it all the more likely to happen again. People can do great things and terrible things. We're not a trope, we're have choices and need to take ownership.

We CAN do something about things like this and fighting for your country doesn't only involve people in the military. Fighting for what this country stands for involves laws and words, not guns, contrary to popular conservative belief. 80% of these mass shooters have domestic violence in their backgrounds, often killing a female family member right before they go on a rampage. Anybody gonna take a stand to protect women or--- just kidding, of course they're not. They're too busy trying to throw women in jail for miscarriages. People have a right to own guns? Well I think parents have a right for their children to come home alive. Gonna protect that one?

As for criminals not carrying about laws, if the laws didn't matter we wouldn't have'em in the first place meaning murder would be legal which is just dumb and you know it. Also, the guns coming into Chicago wouldn't be from states like Texas, Indiana, Mississippi, etc if gun regulation didn't work--they gotta get em from places that are lax so maybe don't be? Weird how even if drugs are a problem in this country we still somehow are able to clamp down on a lot of medications to the point that even folks with prescriptions are getting treated like drug addicts. We manage when we want to. We have a bunch of laws in place and we're not not passing them because a criminal isn't gonna consult the statutes. One person put together a sloppy shoe bomb and from then on we gotta take our shoes off forever more to get on a plane, and cars require a ton of stuff like insurance and a driver's license, but a bunch of common sense things like licensing for a gun are a step too far? A bunch of shootings should lead to change and nothing wrong with regulation.

Spoiler alert, Freddy, if the gov't wanted to take you out they could do it. No gun in anybody's pocket is gonna protect them. The only people threatening anybody's sense of safety or rights right now are the people storming the Capitol or controlling a woman's body or telling trans people they don't get to be who they are or saying we can't talk about racism or being gay. Lotta overlap with the 'need m'guns' crowd. They're not the victims, they're the aggressors.


A gun isn't about protecting yourself, it's about power and control. It's the same reason anybody gets upset if their position in a racial/wealth hierarchy is under threat. That's the only reason to explain the rage.

[Konk]

Very nice tribute, Steve.
If one picture is worth a thousand words, I can't add anything here.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

No, Freddy. *Human beings* kill their grandmother (although this shooter's grandmother is still alive) and slaughter children. Not monsters. People. People we work and go to school with. It's a cop-out to act like he's an other because 1) it dodges the point that this is a bigger problem and 2) it makes it easy to act like it's done and not anything we need to take responsibility for societally in preventing. Dehumanizing the shooter just makes it all the more likely to happen again. People can do great things and terrible things. We're not a trope, we're have choices and need to take ownership.

We CAN do something about things like this and fighting for your country doesn't only involve people in the military. Fighting for what this country stands for involves laws and words, not guns, contrary to popular conservative belief. 80% of these mass shooters have domestic violence in their backgrounds, often killing a female family member right before they go on a rampage. Anybody gonna take a stand to protect women or--- just kidding, of course they're not. They're too busy trying to throw women in jail for miscarriages. People have a right to own guns? Well I think parents have a right for their children to come home alive. Gonna protect that one?

As for criminals not carrying about laws, if the laws didn't matter we wouldn't have'em in the first place meaning murder would be legal which is just dumb and you know it. Also, the guns coming into Chicago wouldn't be from states like Texas, Indiana, Mississippi, etc if gun regulation didn't work--they gotta get em from places that are lax so maybe don't be? Weird how even if drugs are a problem in this country we still somehow are able to clamp down on a lot of medications to the point that even folks with prescriptions are getting treated like drug addicts. We manage when we want to. We have a bunch of laws in place and we're not not passing them because a criminal isn't gonna consult the statutes. One person put together a sloppy shoe bomb and from then on we gotta take our shoes off forever more to get on a plane, and cars require a ton of stuff like insurance and a driver's license, but a bunch of common sense things like licensing for a gun are a step too far? A bunch of shootings should lead to change and nothing wrong with regulation.

Spoiler alert, Freddy, if the gov't wanted to take you out they could do it. No gun in anybody's pocket is gonna protect them. The only people threatening anybody's sense of safety or rights right now are the people storming the Capitol or controlling a woman's body or telling trans people they don't get to be who they are or saying we can't talk about racism or being gay. Lotta overlap with the 'need m'guns' crowd. They're not the victims, they're the aggressors.


A gun isn't about protecting yourself, it's about power and control. It's the same reason anybody gets upset if their position in a racial/wealth hierarchy is under threat. That's the only reason to explain the rage.

While I respect your opinion and your right to a voice I disagree with the premises of 100% of the above.