USC kills Notre Dame

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You didn't even comment on the 'maized' over remark.

I actually enjoyed very much even though I didn't comment on it. I love the word "maize" and every time it is used I am happy (I'm not being facetious here, I think it's borderline the best word on Earth to say out loud).

With that said, if you were to ask me the only college football team I am really a "fan" of, it would be the Portland State Vikings. I hate Michigan. I'm not from here, have no loyalty to it, no state pride, no nothing. It's just a stop on the journey back to Portland. So while it may appear that I am an overly zealous Ann Arbor inhabitant that attends UM, I neither attend the college nor really consider myself a real "fan" of the team. Especially not to the point where I would be willing to go down in flames with them no matter what just because they're UM. It’s impossible for my eyes to be “maized over.”

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I also think Carrol made the better adjustments.

I agree with you there. Outcoached for certain, but I don't agree that it makes them a better football team.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Actually it was 2 bad quarters with one being REALLY bad.

That's part of the point I'm making. They played bad football for an entire HALF and got away with a 3-3 tie in that half. USC should have blown the game wide open there, but it took a REALLY bad quarter of football by Michigan for them to actually take advantage of the fact that Michigan was playing like crap.

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Everyone forgets that Michigan was really close to losing to Ball State. Real close. and Ball State is awful. Ucla or Oregon State would be 25pt favs over BS.

I didn't forget that Ball State nearly beat them, it was an exciting game.

But like you said, they were “really close to losing”. Yes, Michigan almost lost to a bad football team. They didn't

USC did. Twice.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Portland State Vikings.

Neil Lomax fan?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Neil Lomax fan?

He's a legend out there, of course.

I wasn't around during his time so I can't say I'm a fan of his per se.

I've only been a Vikings fan since 2003 when I started going to school there, so he's about the only thing I know about them from before that time!

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

the coach is part of the team

you bet, but getting outcoached in a game doesn't by default indicate that your team is not better than the other team. it indicates that you done ****ed up.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

you bet, but getting outcoached in a game doesn't by default indicate that your team is not better than the other team. it indicates that you done ****ed up.

It wasn't the coach who was chasing Henne all over the place in the 3 rd quarter. It wasn't the coaches shutting Hart down. Jarrett does not coach though he did school the Michigan's DB's.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

It wasn't the coach who was chasing Henne all over the place in the 3rd quarter. It wasn't the coaches shutting Hart down. Jarrett does not coach though he did school the Michigan's DB's.

which once again brings us right back to the one really bad quarter.

they got outplayed, most obviously in the 3rd quarter. i'm not trying to say they deserved to win the game playing like that. i am just saying that that game was not a true representation of the Michigan squad of this season, and that Michigan is a better team than USC even though they were not in the Rose Bowl.

I mean, I watched it and everything people are saying here is stuff I've already seen. I saw them get outplayed. It's not news to me. It's simply an opinion based on a season-long analysis of Michigan vs. how USC fared this season.

No amount of rehashing it will make me think that USC is the better team just beacuse they won the other night -- just like we would not purport that Oregon State or UCLA are better teams than USC just because they won.

It was one game.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I agree with you there. Outcoached for certain, but I don't agree that it makes them a better football team.

the coach is part of the team

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

I didn't forget that Ball State nearly beat them, it was an exciting game.

But like you said, they were “really close to losing”. Yes, Michigan almost lost to a bad football team. They didn't

USC did. Twice.

Embarassing may be a better word than exciting.

Surviving Ball State may be worse than losing close games to bowl teams.
Surviving Illinois is not something to be proud of.

We can compare schedules all we want but the truth is that USC finished with 2 losses and Michigan finished with 2 losses but USC BEAT Michigan pretty soundly and that is what counts.