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Old 04-11-2022, 02:49 PM
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No Preakness for Baffert as Maryland suspends him
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Old 04-11-2022, 03:03 PM
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Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:02 PM
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Why did anyone think he could run at Pimlico during the 90 day suspension?
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:06 PM
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Do people not remember when Steve Asmussen had two consecutive six-month suspensions? Or when Pletcher had an extended (45?) one when the horses ran in Anthony Sciametta’s (sp?) name? Suspensions like these are universally honored by jurisdictions. There was never a question that Baffert would run in Maryland.
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:12 PM
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Do people not remember when Steve Asmussen had two consecutive six-month suspensions? Or when Pletcher had an extended (45?) one when the horses ran in Anthony Sciametta’s (sp?) name? Suspensions like these are universally honored by jurisdictions. There was never a question that Baffert would run in Maryland.
I'm with you, I'm not sure why anyone would think Baffert would be running anything in Maryland. But in the cases you mention the horses ran in the assistant trainer name. This is quite a bit different.
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Old 04-11-2022, 06:54 PM
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I'm with you, I'm not sure why anyone would think Baffert would be running anything in Maryland. But in the cases you mention the horses ran in the assistant trainer name. This is quite a bit different.
One rule that has changed (or come into play anyway) is requirement of dispersing barn during suspensions of more than 60 (I think it’s 60) days.
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Old 04-11-2022, 09:57 PM
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Why did anyone think he could run at Pimlico during the 90 day suspension?
Maybe because he ran at Hot Springs last week and at Nyra less than a month ago. You trying to tell me there was no talk of him running in the Preakness ? Maryland ? They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.
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Old 04-12-2022, 05:01 AM
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Maybe because he ran at Hot Springs last week and at Nyra less than a month ago. You trying to tell me there was no talk of him running in the Preakness ? Maryland ? They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.
KHRC suspension, which is then respected by all other jurisdictions, began April 4. Baffert's last starters (at Oaklawn or elsewhere) were on April 2.
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Old 04-12-2022, 05:10 AM
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They’ve been real leaders in the field as far as policing drug cheats.
Well, they posture as real leaders and on health and welfare they've done a number of good things, particularly in California. But while they ruled a few pieces of low-hanging fruit off, they seemingly allow a cartel to operate in Florida with impunity. They're a fugazy outfit.
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I realize I'm a broken record but truly believe what I am saying.
The NCAA bans the entire school from Post season and TV Money for violations not just the coach. Everyone is penalized. If Horse racing wants to be serious they ban trainer, all horses of trainer and owner of horses under trainer that were caught. Is it stiff? Yes. Is it fair? No. Will it Deter by evening out the Risk/Reward ? Yes. As of now the rewards of cheating FAR outweigh the cost of getting caught. We would be very naïve to think owners have no idea what is going on here. At this point their only real risk is returning purse money. After getting popped they just run under assistant or transfer to another trainer. You can be certain that putting them at real financial risk of their aging asset missing the Triple crown and unable to earn money in any race will incentivize them to pressure trainers to be clean or avoid them all together.
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Old 04-12-2022, 01:24 PM
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Just to show how damaging their publicity stunt is, note these vile victory lap tweets from active opponents of the sport, fund raising as they pretend they had a hand in Baffert's exclusion..



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Old 04-12-2022, 02:43 PM
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I realize I'm a broken record but truly believe what I am saying.
The NCAA bans the entire school from Post season and TV Money for violations not just the coach. Everyone is penalized. If Horse racing wants to be serious they ban trainer, all horses of trainer and owner of horses under trainer that were caught. Is it stiff? Yes. Is it fair? No. Will it Deter by evening out the Risk/Reward ? Yes. As of now the rewards of cheating FAR outweigh the cost of getting caught. We would be very naïve to think owners have no idea what is going on here. At this point their only real risk is returning purse money. After getting popped they just run under assistant or transfer to another trainer. You can be certain that putting them at real financial risk of their aging asset missing the Triple crown and unable to earn money in any race will incentivize them to pressure trainers to be clean or avoid them all together.
I agree. Suspensions, imho, shouls include the owner and all the horses in the trainer's barn. Harsh, yup. Easy to avoid? Yup....don't cheat.
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Old 04-11-2022, 04:13 PM
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Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?
Is it better with him? That's not me giving an opinion either way. I'm just wondering if racing as a whole has been better with him.
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Old 04-11-2022, 07:07 PM
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Is it better with him? That's not me giving an opinion either way. I'm just wondering if racing as a whole has been better with him.
It's definitely not better with him if he violates the rules and refuses to accept responsibility.

I'll refrain from saying, however, that nobody is bigger than the game. We all know the OP of this thread disproves that.
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Is racing better off without Baffert? Perhaps the very best dirt trainer ever banished forever?
I don't think so. I don't think people outside of racing care. People inside of racing were supporting the sport and betting even knowing he was involved. Unless there's going to be numbers that show wagering increases with him out, I don't think the sport is better as far as perception goes.
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