Weekend Stakes Beyers: Taiba 101, Zandon 98, Mo Donegal 96

[King Glorious]

I also don’t know that it’s really going far out on a limb to suggest that a 3yo who didn’t run as a 2yo and didn’t debut until 3/5….could have issues that cause a premature retirement. Maybe the thinking that tomorrow may not come leads to getting what you can today.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I also don’t know that it’s really going far out on a limb to suggest that a 3yo who didn’t run as a 2yo and didn’t debut until 3/5….could have issues that cause a premature retirement. Maybe the thinking that tomorrow may not come leads to getting what you can today.

Well, I wasn't trying to go out on a limb; I actually had a litany of names to throw out there to prove the likelihood of the prediction (Charlatan, Justify, Paynter, Bodemeister, Cezanne, Uncle Chuck, etc.)

The question becomes: Why does Taiba have issues? Is it inherent weakness or bad training or a combination thereof?

Taiba was training forwardly between April and June of last year until he was not.

Instead of being thrilled by his likely "flash-in-the-pan" career, the reality is most likely that we missed out on seeing this colt in perhaps a very successful traditional West Coast 2yo campaign (Best Pal, DM Futurity, Norfolk, etc).

Mulitply that by however many other "prospects" also fell by the wayside (and will or will not ever make it back) and we get what we got: Perhaps the worst BC Juvenile of all time.

And now perhaps one of the worst Kentucky Derbies of all time.

Unless Tiz the Bomb wins it and goes on to Epsom Derby glory.

[Dahoss]

“Chastised and belittled”

Wowzers

[freddymo]

Aqueduct was great yesterday ok they didn't have 30000 people like perhaps they would have in the 70s that said people were having a good time and the world looked pre covid for the afternoon.

Did the track slow down from the Distaff to the Carter?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Aqueduct was great yesterday ok they didn't have 30000 people like perhaps they would have in the 70s that said people were having a good time and the world looked pre covid for the afternoon.

Did the track slow down from the Distaff to the Carter?

Back in the days where the only Legal Gamble was a once a week Lottery.

[Conrad]

How did Speakers Corner (114) get such a big number compared to Glass Ceiling's(98) Distaff performance after running only .37 seconds faster ?
No way the track changed that much - 16pts !?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Conrad

How did Speakers Corner (114) get such a big number compared to Glass Ceiling's(98) Distaff performance after running only .37 seconds faster ?
No way the track changed that much - 16pts !?

Beyer feels it changed over 20 points.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Conrad

How did Speakers Corner (114) get such a big number compared to Glass Ceiling's(98) Distaff performance after running only .37 seconds faster ?
No way the track changed that much - 16pts !?

After the Distaff, I remarked to a very smart guy who watches countless races for a living that seemed like a fast race. You never know but it seemed a reasonable conclusion. I think some fig makers will have the Distaff and Carter closer? You had some very reliable runners in each race to project off, it is hard to suggest that Reinvestment and Mind Control ran worse than their typical races of high 90's low 100's Mind Control was beaten by 7+ lengths