4/2: Gulfstream (6th-14th); Oaklawn (5th-13th; X-C P5)

[maryhope]

Why is the C picks for race #14 at Gulfstream 2,7 when your next two picks were 5,11, or is that just a misprint

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by maryhope

Why is the C picks for race #14 at Gulfstream 2,7 when your next two picks were 5,11, or is that just a misprint

Not a misprint. It's the difference between playing the race vertically for a score (keying Simplification/Charge It with exotics candidate prices like 5-Pappacap/9-O Captain/11-Steal Sunshine under) versus horizontally (multis) covering win candidates like 2-Classic Causeway/7-White Abarrio that I'm a bit 'against' (but are far from impossible)..

There's nothing gained in selections by tabbing the top 4 favorites (3-2-6-7). It's more likely to me that a a price or two works their way into the tri/super, so I'm playing with 10-1 Pappacap, 20-1 O Captain & 30-1 Steal Sunshine with the 2 logicals I like best in Simplification and Charge It.

So look at the tri plays like this.. If any of the prices get in the tri with Simplification or Charge It, you'll get a nice score. If 2 of the prices come in under Simplification or Charge It, you'll get a bonanza. I'll also add a small win saver on the 3 prices as sanity insurance.

3-6 w/ 3-6 w/ 5-9-11 (2x1x3)

3-6 w/ 5-9-11 with 3-6 (2x3x1)

3-6 w/ 5-9-11 w/ 5-9-11 (2x3x2)

[maryhope]

Thank you Steve for your reply to my question, that was kind of you to explain your thoughts, I been following you for years and think you are the best handicapper I know, you are a great asset to the horse industry, good luck today and God bless you and your family

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by maryhope

Thank you Steve for your reply to my question, that was kind of you to explain your thoughts, I been following you for years and think you are the best handicapper I know, you are a great asset to the horse industry, good luck today and God bless you and your family

Thanks for the generous compliments. Greatly appreciated.

[Kasept]

AQU SCR/CHG'S

GP SCR/CHG'S

OP SCR/CHG'S

[ontheoutside]

how would that method hit twice? no questioning,, just dont get it thanks

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Thats the Beauty of it! Would love to discuss, and have been doing my own sports handicapping shows on other sports. I always tip my cap to folks like Steve, as it is from them that I have been able to put many of these winning aspects together.

I have always been in love with Horses since my first visit at 8 years of age to Santa Anita. Dropped a note years ago thanking Steve for what he does and mentioned my opportunity to work with Gordon Jones at Sams town in Late 90s.
He and I did a few shows in sports books where we correlated ML baseball parlays, similar to horses.

Pick 3s 4s pick 6, but in parlays, it was a lot of fun a quite profitable.

Most respect I have for any professional sports handicappers, are with the horses.

Would love to do The Byk Show, but you dont hear any D-listers with Steve.

LOL Really appreciate you Mr. Byk

You’d love to discuss and have been invited to do so.

Maybe a “I misspoke” vs. this misdirection/bootlicking that hasn’t fooled anyone?

Let us know.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Apologies Gentlemen,
I was at the track watching a few 3 year old races and not monitoring the internet.

It is pretty simple to understand. I respect Gamlin and will answer a bit of the question. Truthfully I am not real fond of divulging betting tactics as after all we are competing for the same exotic pools. Giving away Trifecta formulas only hinders the pot.

This is why Steve is a class act. The most selfless capper and genuine guy in the business. I shall strive to understand that way of thinking and answer Gamlin on a PM.

Fantastic day yesterday Steve!!

Tell us you’re full of **** without actually saying it

[Dahoss]

I've hit the trifecta the last 25 years of every race run during that time. I just box all/all/all.

I'd love to discuss further but I don't have much time between hopping on my private jet and banging my super model wife.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by UncleBenelli

Appreciate you always Steve!

May I suggest a Cuban Trifecta method on proposed longshots.

2/3/all boxed.

so, 3,6/5,9,11/ALL box

I utilize for larger fields on big handle days, not sure this race has the depth of long shots to apply this method, but when correct on ticket structure,
A Cuban Trifecta Ticket Pays twice!!

I have successfully hit the last 7 Kentucky Derby Trifectas with this method and 18 of the last 25 triple crown races. I owe the Ticket structure formula lesson to a great capper, like yourself, Mr. Manuel. Often times I have ticket takers tell me you cant bet that. And in some states , you must call out each ticket, as they dont have a box button,..

Good Luck to all , this is such a great time of year.!!

I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I read this many times and still have no idea how this pays twice as a horse can only finish in 1 position. Im not a big triple player but do play it on derby day.

Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Nobody actually plays like that ( someone may have tried but he went broke a long time ago ). He would have it twice if two of the horses in the first two slots hit the board ( this does NOT have to happen ). If someone did it in a 20 horse Derby field, as he suggested, it would be 144 Box combinations, or 864 combinations ( assuming you want to possibly have it twice ). It's boxing 2x4x18 the way he laid it out ( with neither of the first two horses in the second slot ).

I must be very bored ( and at least a little pathetic ) to have thought this lunacy through. It's a moronic play, especially at a 25% takeout.

His example is wrong. In order to hit twice don't you need to include his first place picks in slot 2?

Sh*t if I was as dialed in as he to hit 7 Derby Trifecta's in a row. Given his example,I'd take that $864 and play a $144 Exacta 2x3