Week/Weekend Stakes Beyers: Art Collector/Medina Spirit ~ !07

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by southerndutch

Thanks, Steve. I was interested because I thought Jack Christopher’s Beyer came back a little high, since it was the slowest Champagne(when run at a mile) since 1989. The mile time for the fifth on Saturday was virtually the same as JC’s final time 3 races later, so the number makes sense.

HUH?

[southerndutch]

I thought Jack Christopher’s Beyer of 93 was a little high for a race that was the slowest Champagne since 1989. So I wanted to compare it to the dirt routes that were run earlier on the card. The 4th race a 40 n2l claimer was not comparable, so I went to the 5th race, an 80 optional claimer @ 8 1/2 furlongs that the mile split was 1:37:2, one tick slower than JC’s mile. When that race came back with a 91 Beyer, I could see how JC was awarded a 93. However, I still feel the time of the Champagne was very mediocre, particularly the final 1/4 in 26:1. We shall see.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by southerndutch

I thought Jack Christopher’s Beyer of 93 was a little high for a race that was the slowest Champagne since 1989. So I wanted to compare it to the dirt routes that were run earlier on the card. The 4th race a 40 n2l claimer was not comparable, so I went to the 5th race, an 80 optional claimer @ 8 1/2 furlongs that the mile split was 1:37:2, one tick slower than JC’s mile. When that race came back with a 91 Beyer, I could see how JC was awarded a 93. However, I still feel the time of the Champagne was very mediocre, particularly the final 1/4 in 26:1. We shall see.

You understand final fractions, especially in dirt races, are related to how quickly the early fractions were run....right?

[southerndutch]

Yes, I am aware of that, but I don’t think an opening 1/4 of 23:4 should impact the final quarter that negatively. Like I said, we shall see.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by southerndutch

Yes, I am aware of that, but I don’t think an opening 1/4 of 23:4 should impact the final quarter that negatively. Like I said, we shall see.

It's good not to tailor the truth to fit our personal agendas. Try comparing the first two fractions to those of the Woodward, as an aside a figure that for some reason you are not questioning despite it relying on the Champagne number being correct, before determining whether or not they were fast or slow.

[southerndutch]

I’m not attempting “ to tailor the truth.” I did not use theWoodward because it was 14 points higher and thus not comparable. I used the 5th race because it was comparable and it pointed out that the number was valid, which is all I was attempting to do, as I originally thought the number was too high but was proven wrong. P.S. I still don’t think that was a strong finish. We’ll find out down the road.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by southerndutch

I’m not attempting “ to tailor the truth.” I did not use theWoodward because it was 14 points higher and thus not comparable. I used the 5th race because it was comparable and it pointed out that the number was valid, which is all I was attempting to do, as I originally thought the number was too high but was proven wrong. P.S. I still don’t think that was a strong finish. We’ll find out down the road.

Of course it's comparable. Making that statement sort of disqualifies you from questioning numbers. Not sure how an 8.5 furlong fig is comparable to an 8 furlong one while a 9 furlong one, all around one turn, is not.

We got it. You don't like Jack Christopher, a son of Munnings, in the KY Derby. Not exactly putting yourself out on a limb here. However, none of that has anything to do with his fig.