Derby Aftermath

[robfla]

Now blaming it on Otomax.

https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/st...851397/photo/1

[jms62]

A simple

"We used a legal medication and miscalculated how long it took to clear his body, may be due to having to factor in Non use of Lasix, we need to figure this out and insure it doesn't happen again"

But no.. He goes on Fox and Panders to their audience with the "Cancel Culture" nonsense.

[knickslions2]

LOL now it’s Otomax. The vets didn’t know betamethesone is in it? While it’s possible that the levels detected could have been because of this it still doesn’t make sense as the levels in gamine were very similar and supposedly the horse had the shot. Just admit your vets don’t know what the hell they are doing. They miscalculated drug pk.

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

A simple

"We used a legal medication and miscalculated how long it took to clear his body, may be due to having to factor in Non use of Lasix, we need to figure this out and insure it doesn't happen again"

But no.. He goes on Fox and Panders to their audience with the "Cancel Culture" nonsense.

Originally Posted by knickslions2

LOL now it’s Otomax. The vets didn’t know betamethesone is in it? While it’s possible that the levels detected could have been because of this it still doesn’t make sense as the levels in gamine were very similar and supposedly the horse had the shot. Just admit your vets don’t know what the hell they are doing. They miscalculated drug pk.

Wouldn’t he be admitting to intentionally operating outside of the rules if he admitted to this? No way around it, that’s cheating and would tarnish his legacy. Better to be considered incompetent.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by moses

Wouldn’t he be admitting to intentionally operating outside of the rules if he admitted to this? No way around it, that’s cheating and would tarnish his legacy. Better to be considered incompetent.

Well it is a legal drug that is expected to clear the system if administered within the appropriate timeframe. That IMO is his cover for this, deem it a mistake and he doesn't come across as a cheat. Either way he isn't escaping DQ unless he is cleared on second test.

[ADJMK]

Originally Posted by moses

Wouldn’t he be admitting to intentionally operating outside of the rules if he admitted to this? No way around it, that’s cheating and would tarnish his legacy. Better to be considered incompetent.

No the rules are you are allowed to use certain medications, but there are withdrawal times that you have to consider when using.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by moses

Wouldn’t he be admitting to intentionally operating outside of the rules if he admitted to this? No way around it, that’s cheating and would tarnish his legacy. Better to be considered incompetent.

Just admit the mistake and move on. It’s not a performance enhancing drug. He’s just digging himself in deeper with this other crap.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Just admit the mistake and move on. It’s not a performance enhancing drug. He’s just digging himself in deeper with this other crap.

My definition of Performance enhancing will include anything to mask pain. It is a natural instinct when feeling pain to not go to your maximum effort.. But you are far more schooled in these sciences.. Am I off in my thinking?

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

My definition of Performance enhancing will include anything to mask pain. It is a natural instinct when feeling pain to not go to your maximum effort.. But you are far more schooled in these sciences.. Am I off in my thinking?

That’s my thought. My wife just gave birth last Wednesday (the baby was due in April but waited until after Derby Day, maybe she wanted to avoid seeing another Baffert horse win it?). Anyway, she got an epidural beforehand and it sure seems like it enabled her to push through the pain. Different drug but same concept - mask the pain and the horse doesn’t know it’s supposed to be hurting and just keeps running. But I defer to those with more knowledge on the topic.

This makes me worry about the entire sport though. How many people are going to read this story and say: “So they’re allowed to mask pain up to a certain point through the use of certain drugs. But if training and racing hurts these horses and they can’t train/race without painkillers and other drugs, why are we even allowing this?” To a lot of outside observers, that’s going to sound like animal cruelty.

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Just admit the mistake and move on. It’s not a performance enhancing drug. He’s just digging himself in deeper with this other crap.

IMO, Baffert knows the split will be positive so he's building his defense for DQ.
Baffert using this excuse to say he was caring for the horse's welfare instead of knowingly cheating.

[moses]

Originally Posted by jms62

Well it is a legal drug that is expected to clear the system if administered within the appropriate timeframe. That IMO is his cover for this, deem it a mistake and he doesn't come across as a cheat. Either way he isn't escaping DQ unless he is cleared on second test.

Originally Posted by ADJMK

No the rules are you are allowed to use certain medications, but there are withdrawal times that you have to consider when using.

Originally Posted by knickslions2

Just admit the mistake and move on. It’s not a performance enhancing drug. He’s just digging himself in deeper with this other crap.

Maybe you guys are right but isn’t that the excuse that he used with Gamine? Could he use the same excuse again? And he sort of killed that option when he jumped out and said that Medina Spirit was never administered the drug.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by moses

Maybe you guys are right but isn’t that the excuse that he used with Gamine? Could he use the same excuse again? And he sort of killed that option when he jumped out and said that Medina Spirit was never administered the drug.

I think you can use that excuse again.... Especially if Gamine was treated with Lasix...

[cakes44]

Originally Posted by jms62

A simple

"We used a legal medication and miscalculated how long it took to clear his body, may be due to having to factor in Non use of Lasix, we need to figure this out and insure it doesn't happen again"

But no.. He goes on Fox and Panders to their audience with the "Cancel Culture" nonsense.

[moses]

Originally Posted by robfla

Now blaming it on Otomax.

https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/st...851397/photo/1

This story sounds familiar.

https://archive.triblive.com/news/bo...steroid-cream/

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by robfla

Now blaming it on Otomax.

https://twitter.com/KySportsRadio/st...851397/photo/1

A very convenient alibi. Lets say we rubbed it on him but didn't know what was in it so we can cover up the injections we give him with the same drug.

That is like saying all that THC in my system came from the hemp oil I rub on my ass that I got at CVS.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by richard burch

A very convenient alibi. Lets say we rubbed it on him but didn't know what was in it so we can cover up the injections we give him with the same drug.

That is like saying all that THC in my system came from the hemp oil I rub on my ass that I got at CVS.

And I never believed them when they said “ that Richard Burch doesn’t smoke weed, he just rubs hemp oil on his ass instead.” My bad.

[richard burch]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

And I never believed them when they said “ that Richard Burch doesn’t smoke weed, he just rubs hemp oil on his ass instead.” My bad.

[Seattleallstar]

If his big owners start pulling horses, then it maybe over

[Seattleallstar]

its also important to keep in mind not to take out anger or hate on the Equine athlete, these beautiful animals have not done anything wrong.