Derby Aftermath

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by moses

At what point should the trainer care about the welfare of the horse? I read this post waiting for that consideration to be brought up...and nothing.

I don't mean this in any disrespectful way but I think that anyone that believes that everyone does things in the best interest and welfare of the horse is living in a world that isn't real. I'm not saying that they don't care and that they are trying to hurt the horses but I just don't think they care as much as people think. Surprisingly, lol, I don't know much about the drugs and their actual impact on the horses. Was Medina Spirit's physical well being compromised in the short or long term by the medication? Brad Cox said he's doing what's in the best interest of the horse by not running Mandoloun in the Preakness. With the possibility of a DQ of the winner, Mandaloun moves up. Being a Derby winner and having a shot at the TC, does that mean that he reverses course and now runs? Is that now in the best interests of the horse.....or the human connections?

I actually do sympatize with the guys that are trying to do it the right way and are beaten by the guys that cheat. But again, the bigger responsibility for fixing this is on the sport, not the trainers. If it's not Baffert, it's going to be someone else looking to take every advantage to fill the void he leaves. Like Jim Rome says, "if you're not cheating, you're not trying and it's only cheating if you get caught."

[moses]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I don't mean this in any disrespectful way but I think that anyone that believes that everyone does things in the best interest and welfare of the horse is living in a world that isn't real. I'm not saying that they don't care and that they are trying to hurt the horses but I just don't think they care as much as people think. Surprisingly, lol, I don't know much about the drugs and their actual impact on the horses. Was Medina Spirit's physical well being compromised in the short or long term by the medication? Brad Cox said he's doing what's in the best interest of the horse by not running Mandoloun in the Preakness. With the possibility of a DQ of the winner, Mandaloun moves up. Being a Derby winner and having a shot at the TC, does that mean that he reverses course and now runs? Is that now in the best interests of the horse.....or the human connections?

I actually do sympatize with the guys that are trying to do it the right way and are beaten by the guys that cheat. But again, the bigger responsibility for fixing this is on the sport, not the trainers. If it's not Baffert, it's going to be someone else looking to take every advantage to fill the void he leaves. Like Jim Rome says, "if you're not cheating, you're not trying and it's only cheating if you get caught."

Ideally, the horse’s welfare should always come first. Of course that’s not reality. But whether they have the best interest of the horse at heart or not, if trainers cannot plausibly make that argument then the sport will be dead.

[Dahoss]

I just listened to the Baffert presser.

Hearing him whine about how something isn’t right and why does this keep happening to him is gross. He’s a disgusting person.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I just listened to the Baffert presser.

Hearing him whine about how something isn’t right and why does this keep happening to him is gross. He’s a disgusting person.

They go Red Hat and claim https://youtu.be/z5rRZdiu1UE

[Kitan]

Haha, is anyone even surprised?

[Dahoss]

I’ve made my feelings known about Baffert over and over again so there’s no point in doing it again....but look at his two winners yesterday at Churchill.

Both seemed to find that little extra just when they needed it. Horses trained by certain trainers have a knack for always having just a little more than their competitors.

Until other trainers and owners come forward and speak up and say they aren’t going to tolerate it, I don’t think anything will change.

Kudos to Churchill for now...but let’s see how long this lasts.

[Conrad]

Churchill has ruled him off the grounds.

Poor Pimlico...what will they do if he wants to run Medina in the Preakness? No way they want this mess at their door. They probably don't want Concert Tour either, but now the race is looking really really weak.
I hope some others will now decide to run.

[ADJMK]

Per the DRF article:

The Kentucky Oaks positive was detected in Gamine, an eventual champion, after the filly’s third-place finish in the race. Gamine, who also tested positive for betamethasone, was disqualified, and Baffert was fined $1,500. Baffert and his attorney had argued that the horse was administered the corticosteroid 18 days prior to the race, outside the 14-day withdrawal guideline. Baffert did not appeal the ruling.


His plea that he doesn't understand how this could happen? Really ?

[gamblin4ever]

Originally Posted by Kitan

Haha, is anyone even surprised?

No surprise

[Benny]

https://sports.yahoo.com/baffert-say...135842859.html