Most Overrated Horses

[robfla]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I’d say Songbird. What say you?

Dollar Bill and Bellamy Road

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by robfla

Dollar Bill and Bellamy Road

Bellamy Road actually might be one of the single most underrated horses of my racing lifetime.

[blackthroatedwind]

I see this differently ( for instance, Dollar Bill is actually underrated, as he was one of the best horses in his crop and people on message boards do nothing but dump on him like he was a $25K claimer ) than most. Songbird was overrated....she was also ( in the grand scheme of things ) a fantastic horse. She just wasn't an all-time great like some people want to suggest....but she was damn good. The true question is whether or not these horses are as good as their reputations....at least to me.

Tacitus is a funny one, as some of us overrated him ( myself included ) while others dramatically underrate him. He's a very polarizing horse. Zenyatta was as well ( polarizing that is ). She was tremendous, but overly deified by some, and unfortunately she passed on too many races where she very well might have proven herself worthy of many of her accolades. Rachel Alexandra was far superior to her....but only for one year, while Zenyatta did it for three. Different discussions.

[RolloTomasi]

Zenyatta
Azeri
Paseana
Maximum Security
American Pharoah
Big Brown
Arrogate
Medaglia d'Oro
Midnight Bisou
Sightseek
Havre de Grace
Close Hatches
Aptitude
Manistique

[cakes44]

Can a horse be both overrated and underrated?

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[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Can a horse be both overrated and underrated?

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He’s an interesting pick. What was overrated about him? Brilliant sprint speed and was able to carry it 9 furlongs in the Whitney not once but twice.

[cakes44]

Melted at wildly short odds multiple times. Brittle as heck. Only ran once in the BC and got waxed.

At the same time, he ran HUGE races and over an extended period of time. That’s why I’m saying overrated and underrated at the same time.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Melted at wildly short odds multiple times. Brittle as heck. Only ran once in the BC and got waxed.

At the same time, he ran HUGE races and over an extended period of time. That’s why I’m saying overrated and underrated at the same time.

I think you are confusing unreliable with overrated.

[King Glorious]

Originally Posted by cakes44

Can a horse be both overrated and underrated?

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I like this choice. Leave him alone up front and he was brilliant. But pressure him and it was usually a different story.

[King Glorious]

I'd say Justify.

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I'd say Justify.

IMO it's inconceivable a horse could win the Triple Crown and be overrated.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

I like this choice. Leave him alone up front and he was brilliant. But pressure him and it was usually a different story.

What races was he not left alone and wilted? The Woodward when Dutrow’s TWO rabbits pressured him from the inside and outside?

I think BTW put it well saying he was unreliable. I don’t ever remember people talking about him a certain way. But his fragility was well known. When he was right, good luck beating him. When he wasn’t...well he was very beatable.

I’m just not sure how when you’re one of three horses ever to win the Whitney multiple times and the other two are Kelso and Discovery you can be overrated.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think BTW put it well saying he was unreliable. I don’t ever remember people talking about him a certain way. But his fragility was well known. When he was right, good luck beating him. When he wasn’t...well he was very beatable.

To your point, all his bad defeats were followed up by layoffs of 3 months or more (usually more).

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Zenyatta
Azeri
Paseana
Maximum Security
American Pharoah
Big Brown
Arrogate
Medaglia d'Oro
Midnight Bisou
Sightseek
Havre de Grace
Close Hatches
Aptitude
Manistique

Worst list ever.

And for the delusional speed figure people, why don’t you look at how many times ZENYATTA and Songbird ran, how many times they won, how many grade One wins they had and then maybe wake up and smell the coffee. Did you see what Songbird did to those fillies at Saratoga ? She drowned them all and broke their spirit. Rachel ducked Zenyatta at Hot Springs because her connections knew better then to try the Queen on for size.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

Worst list ever.

And for the delusional speed figure people, why don’t you look at how many times ZENYATTA and Songbird ran, how many times they won, how many grade One wins they had and then maybe wake up and smell the coffee. Did you see what Songbird did to those fillies at Saratoga ? She drowned them all and broke their spirit. Rachel ducked Zenyatta at Hot Springs because her connections knew better then to try the Queen on for size.

More laziness.

Songbird broke their spirits? They were allowance runners at best. Look at the fields she beat beat. She was fortunate to be a 2 year old and 3 year old during the worst two years for that age group in recent memory. The only times she faced real horses she lost both times with cake trips.